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News Very sad mass casualty incident (MCI) --- Oakland Artist party fire traps dozens

  1. Dec 3, 2016 #1

    berkeman

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    Very sad and preventable, IMO. Probably dozens of young artists killed by a fire at a party in their improvised workspace in a warehouse in Oakland.

    http://abc7news.com/news/families-search-for-loved-ones-after-deadly-oakland-fire/1638350/

    Early reports are that the warehouse was converted without permits, and there were unpermitted structural and electrical improvements. This is one of the reasons that we don't allow amateur threads here about dangerous/advanced projects that involve life safety... My son could have been there -- thankfully he was not there last night and is okay.

    This is a very heartfelt Facebook post by a friend of mine who is a Fire Captain of at large neighboring community

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...22575778197.2020271.1041176125&type=3&theater
     
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  3. Dec 3, 2016 #2

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    You know how the "like" was meant. I've been in places like this before and can feel the tragic about it.
     
  4. Dec 3, 2016 #3

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  5. Dec 3, 2016 #4

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  7. Dec 4, 2016 #6

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    http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/04/us/california-oakland-fire/index.html
     
  8. Dec 4, 2016 #7

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    The warrehouse was definitely not zoned or permitted for habitation.
    That will probably change soon, based on the illegal habitation and unpermitted renovations.
     
  9. Dec 5, 2016 #8

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    Death toll is now at 33 and will probably continue to climb. The fire department was located a block away and they were there in three minutes. Unfortunately, fire spreads very quickly - especially if you give it lots of fuel.
    From that link, the before pictures are here - Oakland Ghost Ship. Looked like a 60's commune. Definitely a maze of little rooms and a massive amount of combustables. :oldfrown:
     
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  10. Dec 6, 2016 #9

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    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-bell-foundry-20161205-story.html
    I understand they don't like being put out on the street but this madness of letting people live in known fire traps has to stop.
     
  12. Dec 6, 2016 #11

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  13. Dec 8, 2016 #12

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    In Dallas Texas the local Fire Marshal started to code enforce these places for the safety of the people inside long before this fire. Going deep underground is a very counter-productive response to fire safely.
     
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