Why Do Electrons Determine Atom Volume While Nucleons Account for Mass?

[burgess]

The Volume of an atom comes from its electrons and mass of an atom comes from its nucleons. I don't understand why?

Any one can explain it please?

Thanks in advance

 

[ChrisVer]

because the "volume" of the solar system comes from pluto's trajectory (when it was the last planet), while its mass comes from the Sun...
The last statement is an approximation for the solar system because the mass of the sun is pretty much overpassing the masses of the rest planets. Of course there are pretty massive planets in the solar system as well (eg Jupiter) so it's an approximation.
Also for the case of atoms, of course you can't use the Solar System model, except for getting the idea of it. We know today that the nuclei have a radius of approximately 1 to some hundrends of fm (in the past what people knew was that the nuclei existed in a very small region-condensed- within the atom by Rutherford's experiment)... The average radius of an electron's existence in the atom (the distance in which you are pretty sure up to 99% the electron will exist) is of the order of 1-100 nm ...
So the radius of the atom would be given by the last.
For the case of electrons though, they all have the same mass, but it's still very much lighter than the mass of a proton
(~10^{- 3~4} orders of magnitude less)
So the protons' masses overwhelm the electron masses, so approximately you can say that the atom's mass is given by the nucleus...
Of course that's not really true- you have to take into account the masses of electrons sometimes (eg in nuclei decays)

 

[Frosted Flake]

Mass of proton : 1.672 621 777 x 10-27 kg +/- 0.000 000 074 x 10-27 kg
Mass of neutron: 1,6749 x 10^(-27) kg
Mass of electron: 0,00091x10^(-27) kg

To put that another way,

A Neutron weighs 1.
A Proton weighs 0.99862349.
Electrons weigh 0.00054386734 each.Still another way to say that is, a proton weighs about 1836.15 times as much as an electron. And a neutron weighs about as much as 1838.7 electrons.

Please don't ask why.

 

[TheDemx27]

Please don't ask why.

Couldn't help but grin for a minute.

 

[pmacias]

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I can explain the relationship between the volume and mass of an atom. An atom is made up of three main particles: protons, neutrons, and electrons. Protons and neutrons are located in the nucleus of the atom, while electrons orbit around the nucleus in specific energy levels.

The volume of an atom is primarily determined by the space occupied by its electrons. Electrons have very little mass compared to protons and neutrons, but they have a significant amount of space between them. This space gives atoms their overall size and volume.

On the other hand, the mass of an atom comes from the combined mass of its protons and neutrons. These particles have a much larger mass compared to electrons and are tightly packed in the nucleus. The number of protons and neutrons present in an atom determines its mass.

Therefore, the volume and mass of an atom are determined by the distribution and arrangement of its electrons and nucleons. This is why the two are related, but they are not directly proportional to each other. I hope this explanation helps to clarify the concept for you.