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WANNA WORK IN THE USA (and make lots of money)

  1. Sep 22, 2004 #1
    I WANNA WORK IN THE USA (and make lots of money)

    Here is a question people...

    I have a master degree in theoretical physics and in (hopefully) two years time i will have a master degree in applied physics from the university of Ghent in Belgium.

    I wanna work in high-tech industries in the best nation of the world : USA

    WHAT DO I DO ???

    any tips???

    marlon :cool:
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  3. Sep 22, 2004 #2
    :rofl: When I saw the title of this thread, I thought that spammers had finally infiltrated PF. I'm from the US, so I can't help you. :smile:

    [EDIT: D'OH! What I meant was: I'm NOT from the US, so I can't help you.]
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  4. Sep 22, 2004 #3


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    3 different routes come to mind (others might suggest better options). I list these in an order that I believe goes from highest likelihood of success to the lowest. They also, unfortunately - for that is life - go in the order of longest time taken to least.

    #1) Apply for a PhD at US Universities. If you apply smartly and wisely, I believe you'll get into a pretty good school. Most schools give you the option to test out of PhD coursework. Then, depending on the group, you may be able to graduate in as little as 3 years or as many as 6. After you graduate with a PhD. your chances of getting an Industry job are really good.

    #2) Apply for jobs in multinational Technology companies (such as Phillips) that will hire you in Europe, but could give you the opportunity to transfer to a US location after some experience.

    #3) Apply directly for jobs with American Companies. This has a low likelihood of success, but may be worth a shot anyway.

    Why do you want to leave Europe for the US ? Have you visited here before or spent any amount of time in the US in the past ?
  5. Sep 22, 2004 #4
    I am getting a french PhD, but working constantly here, on an experiment in one of your facilities. I guess this is not the same as getting it from one of your universities.
  6. Sep 22, 2004 #5
    I have not yet been to the US and the reason i wanna work there is because there are more possibilities of working at the centre of the technological development in the world. I do have some relatives that work in Silicon Valley...

  7. Sep 22, 2004 #6
    The future might be more east. Way more east :uhh: :devil: :surprised
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    Marlon, the reality is that even US citizens are having a hard time getting jobs in that industry. It boomed and then crashed. It seems to be holding steady now, but there are still a lot of unemployed folks in that industry. It may be very hard for you to get a foot in the door in the US. That doesn't mean don't try, but it does mean have a back-up plan for staying in Europe.
  9. Sep 22, 2004 #8
    Moonbear, thanks for your reply...

    But why would it be hard ??? That is exactly what i wanna know. What are my main disadvantages i have because i ain't no native american ?

  10. Sep 22, 2004 #9


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    It sounds interesting that the US door is closed for foreign workers, while USA has been suppliying itself with a lot of european scientists since the beginning of the 20th century. Thousands of scientists (or almost scientists) like Marlon and Humanino were recruited in the past century by the USA. In part, the actual industry and science hegemony of USA is due to them. It sounds USA does not want to open the door now you have lifted off.
  11. Sep 22, 2004 #10
    Indeed Clausius2

    I also think that the driving force in the US are the talented foreigners recruited by the US. The big brain drain , you know...

  12. Sep 22, 2004 #11
    i know lots of canadians scientist leaving for the US because they get a better pay, but in the end i've heard some say that it wasnt worth it
  13. Sep 22, 2004 #12
    definitely : philosophical. Practical advantages seem numerous to me. If you can find a position in a large city, that would be pretty much the same as large European cities.
  14. Sep 22, 2004 #13
    I'm a bit sceptical about this...
    I can completely understand to desire to leave Belgium. Believe me, I'm not staying my whole life. But why leave for the States?

    I think is about time that European scientists and engineers get their act together and do something contructive IN EUROPE. Although the brain-drain is not as bad as it used to be, it's still bad enough.

    Of course, lack of political good-will is a big problem. But I'm convinced that it's not all bad over here. Why don't look to France, Britain or Germany? I'd rather stay in Europe, and try to make the most of it. The past century was bad enough, most of the damage done then has been repaired. It's time for Europe to get it's act back together and become a world-power, not only economically (about the only thing we are currently), but also politically and scientifically.

    Sorry, rant over. As you may have gathered, I feel quite strongly on this subject.
  15. Sep 22, 2004 #14
    It is part of the philosophical reasons I was mentionning earlier. Yet we are not too bad scientifically already :grumpy:
  16. Sep 22, 2004 #15
    True, during the last two decades of the century we made some great progress (CERN, ESA,...), but I still feel we can do better, as a region with 450 million people, most of the living in highly-develloped industrial nations...
  17. Sep 22, 2004 #16
    You are so right Dimitri :approve:
    I have been wondering lately, you took me back from the dark side of the force !
  18. Sep 22, 2004 #17
    Now this might all be very true, yet nobody can deny that the most important scientific progress is made in the US. That is the reason I wanna be there.

  19. Sep 22, 2004 #18
    Your qualifications are well above that of the average US citizens. While many people are out of work (hahah, we say many with an unemployment rate HALF that of Germany), your degrees, and possible experience you already have, would make you an apt candidate in many areas.
    We have hired internationally recently with less qualifications.

    Good luck :)
  20. Sep 22, 2004 #19
    *coughs softly* I think your forgetting Japan. but its really expensive there (and tokyo is really rough on the working man)
  21. Sep 22, 2004 #20


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    I think you misunderstood my advice. It's not because you are foreign that you'll have trouble, though you might...with plenty of people here looking for jobs, someone might think twice before taking a chance on someone who needs to get approved for a visa to work here. But, really it's just that the jobs in that particular industry are pretty saturated already. There are too many qualified people looking for jobs and not enough jobs to go around. It's not a very stable source of employment when you do get it. High tech industries are pretty variable...they could suddenly take off again and start hiring tons of people in a few years. All I'm suggesting is keep some options open elsewhere in the world...y'know, try for what you want, but always have a back-up plan.
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