# War which's happened during the last 150 years

1. Aug 12, 2005

### Lisa!

Is there any war which's happened during the last 150 years that you think it was worth to happen? What are your reasons?
On the other hand, which war do you think was a horrible mistake and there was no reason for starting that?

2. Aug 12, 2005

### Pengwuino

Is it even reasonable to think that any war was really "worth it"? You can't treat wars as things akin to investments without getting into some large complexities...

3. Aug 12, 2005

### TheStatutoryApe

It would be difficult to answer that. It depends on your meaning. Germany started WWII by becoming agressive towards other nations. It wasn't exactly the war it became until other nations decided to intervene. The American Colonies started the Revolution against the British but it would not have been a war had the British ceded them their independance. (*note: I realize that these are rather simplistic explinations of what happened but I'm using them for expediancy)
So you might say that Germany started WWII and they should not have, is this what you mean? You could say that the American Colonies started their war against the British but would you consider that war to have not been worth it? (I also realize that the Revolutionary War took place longer ago than 150 years)

4. Aug 12, 2005

### Lisa!

Forget about the situation when a country has to fend because of their independance.
I mean you think about wars which US started in thiis century like what he did in Iraq or Vietnam or wars like that.

5. Aug 12, 2005

### outsider

War is an aggressive act resulting from conflict. I think thats how the invisble lines on political maps were created.

We all live on this planet... the basic needs are as per Maslow and maybe 8 square feet to sleep on. What are we fighting over? Control without consequence? God like status? A feeling of supremacy?.... hmm... it's just a feeling :tongue2:

War is so UNecessary.

6. Aug 12, 2005

### Pengwuino

I dont think talking about simplicity makes much sense on a device that constitutes one of the greatest multi-national structures/networks on Earth (the Internet) that probably wouldnt exist today if it weren't for the western worlds need to communicate at the touch of a button (be it for military or social needs, both equally responsible).

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7. Aug 12, 2005

### Pengwuino

We didn't exactly start Vietnam... and Iraq may be one of the first wars where it may somehow constitute "worth it". Most wars now-a-days are to instill ones beliefs onto someone or to keep a certain group of people "in check" to be dominated by someone else. A lot of wars currently, say in Africa, are wars to instill belief systems (or have their roots in it) or to take economic control. We all do it in the Western countries as well... its just that people in less developed nations are more ready to kill to instill their beliefs or make economic gains which leads to wars.

8. Aug 12, 2005

### outsider

The Iraq situation is a tough call as the state of the world is too messy to determine who is really at fault.

The real issue with the American public is that this situation does threaten their lives. What is unknown is that it may have been the American Govt who started the conflict... this is a matter of debate I think and thus history will be writ by the victor.

So, in some strange way, I understand why this war is happening. But that doesn't mean it's right.

9. Aug 12, 2005

### The Smoking Man

I have heard that theory tossed out before and it was soundly debunked.

Some individual pointed out how our current burn treatments were a product of military research.

When challenged as to how much of the military budget went into that research, it worked out to an infintessimal amount and could have been funded privately for a fraction of the total.

An interesting side note:

The UN has stated they could end all world hunger right now with $40 billion. The Invasion of Afghanistan cost$49 billion.

Where ARE our priorities?

10. Aug 12, 2005

### Skyhunter

War is always a failure. Even when necessary to preserve the life and liberty of a nations people.

I don't recall the Vietnamese attacking America.

So who "exactly" did start it?

"May" somehow be worth it?

Penqwuino, are you starting to waver in your support for the Iraq war?

11. Aug 12, 2005

### Smurf

I'll believe it when I see it :tongue2:

12. Aug 12, 2005

### Pengwuino

Unless grade school history is beyond you, you should know that the Vietnamese war had been going on before the US sent troops into it...

And i put "may" because if i told the truth, the ideologs from the GD:PWA forum will all rise up and start their cycle of rhetoric against Bush

Holy crap 5 models in their bathing suits just walked onto my tv... excuse me gentlemen.

13. Aug 12, 2005

### outsider

Let's remember that science and military are closely related because of the military's need to farm scientists... so if removed from the military, scientists can design / invent ways of better living / communication / etc. etc. etc. ... rather than focusing on defense.... am I sounding crazy again?

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14. Aug 12, 2005

### Smurf

did you ever stop?

15. Aug 12, 2005

### outsider

so how about commenting on the rest of my post?

for a guy who acts so smart, you generally say little... you really give canadians a bad image... cuz you often come off negative or smartass... i'm not taking away that you maybe very intelligent and realize you are just trying to entertain yourself and your friends, but I'm here to learn and share... not give or take cheapshots... thank you.

.... and don't confront me about americans vs. canadians cuz my wife is canadian. So if you don't want to comment on the real issues, don't comment at all... okely dokely?

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16. Aug 12, 2005

### Smurf

Okay, if it means that much to you. I'll get right to it.
You know what they say; those who can't think, talk.
Believe me, I know.
I prefer 'cynical' if it's not too much trouble
I wouldn't really say I'm trying to entertain any 'friends', seeing as anyone who I actually start to get along with and consider and/or do exchange contact information with on PF mysteriously dissapears. (you mgiht even say it's a conspiracy) so it's really about entertaining myself

17. Aug 12, 2005

### Daminc

I was talking to my friend the other day about a similar subject.

It was about the cost of war and why they are fought. One of the interesting things that came out of it was the consequences of WW2 being the proliferations of new technologies.

If there was no conflicts and all was bunnies and butterflies we would have no incentive to innovate.

18. Aug 12, 2005

### Nomy-the wanderer

Nothing is worth war but ever since we exised there has been war..so?

19. Aug 12, 2005

### Smurf

Oversimplification, as someone else said: Some of the most important firearm innovations were achieved in peacetime.

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20. Aug 12, 2005

### Smurf

Amazingly insightfull. Thank you for that maginificent post Nomy. I'd ask you to stay, but I see you've got some wandering to do. Don't let me hold you back.