Waves of sound from singer

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Homework Statement


Singer sings middle C. She then gulps helium and tries to sing the same note i.e her vocal chords remain the same. What note will the listener hear?





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f=velocity of air/lambda middle C



The Attempt at a Solution


f=velocity of air/lambda middle C
gives lambda=330m/s/262Hz=1.2595

After this point im lost i think you have to use freq of helium=velocity of helium/lambda of middle C
but what note is that?
is it suppose to be C 4 octaves higher or the note G.
 

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hi amit25! :smile:

you don't need to find the frequencies, they cancel out!

the frequencies are the same, but the velocities and wavelengths are different, so what is the equation relating them? :wink:

(and what is the ratio of wavelengths of middle C and the next C?)
 
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the steps i did before is what my teacher did, he just solved it halfway and said thats the equation we use, so im a bit confused because i calculated it to be 766Hz which is around the note G and then after some research i found that the note is still C but i guess a few octaves higher? not sure...really confused
 
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if you want us to check your work, you'll have to show us your calculations. :wink:
 
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okay this is what i did

f=velocity of air/lambda middle C

262Hz=330m/s / lambda middle C

which gives lamba=1.2595 m

frequency of helium is f=velocity of helium/lambda

f=965m/s/1.2595m
f=766Hz
 
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okay this is what i did

f=velocity of air/lambda middle C

262Hz=330m/s / lambda middle C

which gives lamba=1.2595 m

frequency of helium is f=velocity of helium/lambda

f=965m/s/1.2595m
f=766Hz
ok so far (but it would be a lot quicker not to find either of the wavelengths)

now what is the ratio of wavelengths of middle C and the next C?
 
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oh okay im just trying to do it the way my teacher did
but the ratio is 132cm/65.9cm=2
 
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… the ratio is 132cm/65.9cm=2
now compare that with the ratio of the two wavelengths in the question :smile:
 
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233Hz/294Hz=0.80
which is less than the wavelength ratio
 
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233Hz/294Hz
where do those figures come from? :confused:
 
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Wavelength in helium λ = c / f = 927 / 262 = 3.538 m.
Wavelength in air λ = c / f = 343 / 262 = 1.309 m.

Ratio = 3.538 / 1.309 = 2.7
 
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Wavelength in helium λ = c / f = 927 / 262 = 3.538 m.
Wavelength in air λ = c / f = 343 / 262 = 1.309 m.

Ratio = 3.538 / 1.309 = 2.7
where do 927 and 343 come from? :confused: :confused:
 
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927 is the speed of helium and 343 is the speed of sound
 
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what were the 330 and 965 you used before? :confused:
 
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those are the same values i just researched to get more accurate values
 
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ok, if the frequency ratio is 2.7, and the lower note is middle C, then how do we work out the higher note?
 
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so 2.7 x 262hz=707hz so thats F5 note ?
 
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so 2.7 x 262hz=707hz so thats F5 note ?
what's F5 ? :confused: do you mean F# ? and which octave ?

and how did you work it out?

or did you just look it up in a table? :redface:
 
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from here not sure which octave anyways i think its wrong the answer should still be C
http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-… [Broken]
Scroll down to "Frequency to Musical Note Converter".
 
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from here not sure which octave
you won't be able to take that website into the exam with you :redface:

(btw, that link isn't working)

you need to know how to calculate it yourself

if the ratio was 2 (instead of 2.7), what would the note be?

if the ratio was 4, what would the note be?
 
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lol well i have a sheet we got with all the notes and frequency so i dont think were expected to memorize them, anyways thanks i feel like this is going no where ill just ask my professor
 

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