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Wedge-Air Collision Problem

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  1. Jan 25, 2016 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
    Air of density ρ, moving with velocity v strikes normally on an inclined surface (having area A) of a wedge of mass m kept on a horizontal surface. Collisions are perfectly elastic (No loss of kinetic energy). Minimum coefficient of static friction between wedge and the horizontal surface, for the wedge to be stationary, is

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    2. Relevant equations
    Force imparted to the wedge=ρ*A*v^2
    Forces exerted are broken down into their respective components



    3. The attempt at a solution
    Breaking down the force (exerted by the air collisions)on the wedge into components we get,
    ρ*A*v^2costheta + mg= N(the normal force exerted by the ground surface on the wedge)
    Here i assumed that the wedge will be in equilibrium in the y-direction
    and in the x-direction(after drawing the f.b.d of the wedge),one can see that
    ρ*A*v^2sintheta - ffriction = m*a(here a is zero since in the question it says so)
    now comes the hardest part
    we know that 0c02725f116ef3cad99527413171d4bb.png
    static friction is self adjustingt
    so for the minimum coefficient of static friction,i first assumed that the friction force wouldn't be equal to the limiting friction and got stuck with an inequality
    Ffriction≤ [PLAIN]https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/9/3/9/939974a71dda1b83cce5ab82a2d2cec1.png(mg [Broken] + ρ*A*v^2costheta) hence i left this case
    and now took the frictional force as limiting friction yielding [PLAIN]https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/9/3/9/939974a71dda1b83cce5ab82a2d2cec1.png=[B][B][B][B][B]ρ*A*v^2sintheta/([B][B][B]ρ*A*v^2costheta [Broken] + mg)
    However my answer doesn't match with the actual answer
    I think i am going wrong somewhere or i might have overlooked the "collisions are elastic" or i might have made a wrong assumption
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    Anyways,as usual
    Help is much appreciated!!:)[/B]
     
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  3. Jan 25, 2016 #2

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    Is it right?
    imagine a particle of mass m and velocity v collides into the wedge elastically. What is the velocity of the particle after the the collision? How much is the change of its momentum?
     
  4. Jan 25, 2016 #3
    I don't know,for sure
    And as for your second question,the particle which strikes the wedge elastically with a velocity v would rebound back with the same velocity v.
    hence the change in momentum would be Pfinal - Pinitial = -mv-mv=-2mv or 2mv in the opposite direction
     
  5. Jan 25, 2016 #4
    Wait
    are you trying to imply that the change in momentum w.r.t time equals the impulsive force imparted by the wedge to the "supposed" block.
    Therefore,by newton's third law ,the force exerted by the block on the wedge equals the impulsive force but in the opposite direction
    But if you take a certain time of collision "t" into consideration then the mg force of the wedge gets a factor of t,doesn't it?
    How do you proceed further?
     
  6. Jan 25, 2016 #5

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    Yes, you have to take the total change of momentum of the air flow which is twice the original momentum. During the collision, which is very short time for an individual air molecules, gravity plays no role.
    The momentum imparted to the wedge in unit tine is equal the force exerted on it by the flow of air molecules. You need to take the vertical component of this force in addition to the weight of the wedge to calculate the normal force, as you did it in the OP.
     
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  7. Jan 25, 2016 #6
    Thanks a lot ehild for that particular insight
    I completely overlooked it
    Now i am getting the correct answer
    Let me write it down again(This time correctly:smile:)
    Mass of air falling per second on the wedge=ρ*A*v (in 1 second,this much mass falls)
    Hence momentum of the mass of air =ρ*A*v^2
    final mometum of the mass of air after an elastic collision =- ρ*A*v^2 (as it's in the opposite direction)
    therefore change in momentum in 1 second=-2ρ*A*v^2
    therefore force imparted by the air on the wedgeρ*A*v^2
    elementary vector resolutions and algebraic manipulations yield μ2ρ*A*v^2sinθ/(mg + ρ*A*v^2cosθ)
    which is the correct answer
    thanks againo_O:biggrin:
     
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  8. Jan 25, 2016 #7
    sorry for that odd message Something went wrong
     
  9. Jan 25, 2016 #8
    Here i considered the mass flow rate as mass per second
    and calculated the change of momentum in 1 second
    hence my time factor "t" is 1 second
    I neglected the time of an individual collision since it's negligible
    Is my reasoning correct?
     
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  10. Jan 26, 2016 #9

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    It was correct, only the force exerted by the air flow was wrong.
     
  11. Jan 26, 2016 #10
    Thanks once again :)
     
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