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We're all going to die!

  1. Apr 21, 2006 #1
    I don't mean to be an alarmist but, we're all going to die. Everyone. All of us. Not one of us "gets out of here alive" (Jim Morrison).

    Are you prepared for this inevitable event?

    How are you prepared for this event?

    Are you ready to let go of all your attachments in your life?

    Please explain what this means to you.
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  3. Apr 22, 2006 #2
    This explains my entire existence and why I live the way I do. It also defines what life truly means to me and what is honestly important while I'm living. When the being dies the attatchments and materials live on. Maximize the efficiency of one's existence. Delve into the meaning of being. The being is within, not outside. The secret to life is to die before you die, so that life and death may be clearly understood and envisioned. Peace.
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  4. Apr 22, 2006 #3
    Very cool philosophy!

    This idea confuses me, though.

    Attachments are established by an individual. The individual forms notions of importance with regard to the specific phenomena the individual encounters during their life.

    The attachments are a result of choices made by an individual.
    For instance:

    attaching importance to enjoying a good lobster dinner then the memory of that dinner


    the attachment to the importance of "your team" winning a game

    How can attachments "live on", as you say, without the originating system which has formed the attachment concerning an event or object?

    If your answer includes the fact that the importance of your attachments can be continued, in memory and practise, by people who knew you...

    ....I'd say that the importance of the attachment is no longer your's... its theirs. In fact, they have created an importance and attachment of their own with regard to the attachments you have "let go of" as a result of one's demise.


    What's with this idea: "Death as a part of life"?

    I suppose its as essential to life as water. Water is a part of life. Without water, death is a part of life.

    Is the opposite true? Is life a part of death?
  5. Apr 22, 2006 #4
    I hope that when i will die god won't do the bastard with me, because i'm intentioned to conserve my mind for the other life.
  6. Apr 22, 2006 #5


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    What do you mean "prepared"? My death is not my problem, i am the one who won't notice a thing.
  7. Apr 22, 2006 #6

    An infant has no way to prepare for death. It has no concept of life or death. It is simply expiencing stimulus and reacting with predetermined reflexes that are not modified because has had no previous experience with any of the stimuli found in life.

    As adults we have gathered a certain amount of experience and maintained our memory of them. Some of the experiences have been repeated during our life and our reflexes have been or will be modified to the experiences as a way of modifying the results of our reflex to the experiences.

    We also gather opinions from other people with regard to some of our own experiences. When we utilize another's opinion concerning an experience we make their idea of what has or is happening our own. That idea may not be what is happening in truth... but, as far as we know, the idea we have assimilated is the truth.

    In preparing for an event that we have never experienced... such as death... we can only base our preparation on what we have researched on the subject. Our preparation is an accumulation of facts and information we have put together from other people's stories, ideas etc... and our own feelings and ideas on the subject of the event.

    This is not a good method of preparation because, inevitabley, what we have prepared for is somthing we have not experienced and so it is, again, inevitable, that our preparations will be off the mark.

    What we can only surmise about an experience, like death, that we have not personally experienced is the it is a major change with regard to what we're used to.

    Our whole system of values, survival issues, everything we've learned or constructed in life becomes secondary. The primary concern with death seems to be that there is no primary concern.

    How do you prepare for that?:uhh:
  8. Apr 22, 2006 #7
    Come on, nobody prepares for death. Nobody knows when one will come up. You have these religious books that try to prepare you for that, but not a Christian or Muslim or whatever seem to give a thought about this. People just tend not to think about death. If you push a life to your limits, you achieved what you wanted to achieve, get what you wanted to get, and give what you wanted to give, then that's enough of the preparation. How else would you prepare? If you live for yourself and also other people, you've done a lot for the people, then that's all your preparation. You're ready to face God or either death or both. God will look at you and see how you lived and that will impress God, as not many people really lead a wonderful life. If you face only death, your name will be memorized for hundreds or even thousands of years. People will talk good about you for centuries. That's a good death. You can get both. In other words, you prepare for death all your life, without even thinking about it. Every your deed is a preparation to death.

  9. Apr 22, 2006 #8
    Do you have a survey that shows this?

    Have a look at the number of clients any life insurance company has. This appears to be evidence of a form of preparation for an event like death or incapacitation. Usually this preparation is for the benefit of those people surviving or supporting the client.

    In the same spirit, wouldn't it be insuring or assuring to prepare one's self for death?

    This wouldn't have to involve an insurance company or an organized religion... for that matter. This would only involve the individual, alone, through some kind of excercises specifically designed to take the importance out of the silly things in life. Like status or dramas and competitions.

    The function of these excercises would resemble the function of a life insurance company where you leave things behind. But in this case you have to separate yourself from possessions like those of self-image, self-importance and a slough of other mental constructs. Of course, these remains would be better off disposed of rather than being willed to some unsuspecting heir:biggrin: .
  10. Apr 22, 2006 #9
    Actually I didn't think about preparation like this. Obviously you're right. I rather thought about preparing like for the vocation. Packing a suitcase, reserving a place in a hotel...

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  11. Apr 23, 2006 #10
    Preparing for death IS living life to its fullest. Yet you contradict yourself by starting off with saying "nobody prepares for death"... when in fact, the way I prepare for death is by living my life the way that I do. It's ok, no big deal. You made a good point, just thought I'd point out that minor contradiction.
  12. Apr 23, 2006 #11
    I think death is comforting, it's a way out when things go out of hand, it's also the pussy way out.
    In a few million years the earth may be destroyed, carrying my remains into outer space, and then I live on, through my remains.
    In the end, there won't be anything left of me, only scattered molecules and atoms that were once in my body.

    I am not just my body and my mind, I live through other people, in their minds, I could be a faint memory in some girls mind, or a strong memory in my mothers mind.
    Me, as a being, influence everything around me, everything is connected, on an abstract plane, death is simply our natural way of departing our bodies.

    The peace and serenity that comes with death (the opposite of life), is something that comforts me.
    Not to say I'm not afraid of the inevitable, I'm afraid of dying, but also losing all my memories and my mind.

    We have to face the facts, as they are now, that we WILL lose everything we loved, but we won't know it, after we're dead, we won't care.
    That's also comforting.
  13. Apr 23, 2006 #12
    The only sure thing in life, is death. Death of what? I know my body will be eventually reduced to a sack of dust. If black holes eventually give back everything that is swallowed up, that a relief, my dust will still remain within this universe. What concerns me is what happens to my information, that is, what am I. Will my information know other information in the same way that I know, I am now? This truly bothers me, not knowing how this knowing might be.
  14. Apr 23, 2006 #13
    The things that bother you are the things you need to leave behind when you die. If you try to take them with you this probably ****s up the whole function of dieing. It may even delay your departure or... at least the departure of everything that was you. "You" might, (according to my own insignificant calculations), remain in the physical realm as an ElectroMagneticChemical anomaly. A construct of EM waves that you painstakingly built with mental constructs concerning "the way it is". When you may be absolutely wrong in your assumptions.

    But, I'm just talking like I know what I'm talking about. No one knows what not-living is all about or what happens to "us" after the experience of dieing.

    I know there are people who've had "near death" experiences. There are reports of "out of body" experiences. There are those people who have been declared medically dead who, after 20 minutes, are revived and live on to talk about it. I'm not refering to any of the re-written biblical accounts here either.

    What I'm asking is, do you, personally, know someone who's died... been cremated or buried... then come back and given a lecture on the experience of death and what goes on after life:surprised ? Probably not.

    There are those people like the ones I've mentioned with their stories, books, movies and bank accounts based on "near death accounts"... but, I don't know them. They could be any salesperson from anywhere selling anything people are gullable enough to buy. Sort of like religion. No credentials required. No proof of the truth. Just "have faith" and believe.

    Not I said the wolf.
    Not I said the blind man as he picked up his hammer and saw.
  15. Apr 23, 2006 #14
    Thank you. I think its more like un-packing the suit case and giving away everything. Then you go skinny dipping. The only problem is that your grandmother and the rest of your anscestors are watching!!!!!!

    Which brings me to another analogy of death.
    Imagine you're at the lake with some friends. Its midnight and the idea of a midnight dip sounds cool. You're all a bit tentative, though, about jumping in the lake since, of course, it feels cold to the first touch to the big toe.

    Is that death in a nutshell? Is it like a big lake that seems cold at first so everyone shivers and decides its a gross idea to jump in? Look what you're leaving behind!!! A nice dry, warm set of clothes. Maybe a nice fire. Maybe a friend who happens to be a potential mate who isn't going to like a wet, shivering, mostly naked and possibly drowned guy. I don't know. But, there are some similar parallels here.
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  16. Apr 24, 2006 #15
    There indeed are some parallels. Although this world seem bad, it isn't such a bad world, and it's better to live in such one, than get yourself into something worse like in that case a freezing lake. But anyway, although death seems like a good idea for many, it isn't such an astonishing peace for yourself. Many people think about death like a fun, but only a few actually decided to play russian rullette. I would rather stay up, and don't rush anywhere, because does it mean anything that after death you still are a part of the universe? Your physical body is gone, your senses are gone. You are left with either a soul, mind, or nothing. You cannot experience any wonders anymore, you don't have senses. You don't have yourself. And in addition, what if this life is the only one? You have one chance, one life, one world, no others? That's the reason why you should stay, and don't rush anywhere, take up your chance and don't wait for death, let the death wait for you.

  17. Apr 24, 2006 #16
    One of my favourite quotes comes from Stephen Vincent Bent who says, "Life is not lost by dying; life is lost minute by minute, day by dragging day, in all the thousand uncaring ways."

    Don't waste your life by worrying that it will end, get out and live it, enjoy every moment the Almighty grants you and be gratefull for what you do have. You will always be happier and more successful if you concentrate on your joys than if you worry about negatives.
  18. Apr 24, 2006 #17
    The truth is that without understanding death, life makes no sense. You can ignore the issue and pretend it doesn't matter, but that leaves a feeling of quiet desperation that mars every joy you can possibly have in this world.
  19. Apr 24, 2006 #18
    As George Carlin once put it (referring to death): "It is on your schedule."

    I'm a mathematician and my wife is a criminal psychologist (works with several very interesting people) so I am exposed to a lot of serial killer / true crime / death stuff on tv in books, etc. I was thinking about this the other day.

    Mathematically, I see fear of death as being quantifiable on two axes: fear of emotional trauma (knowing that you're going to die) and fear of physical pain (suffering). So, if we rank everything on a scale from 0 to 100 on both axes, we get a coordinate for each type of death.

    Of course - people's opinions (including my own) might cause disagreement on the exact position of the coordinates, but I'm okay with that...

    So, take for example - plane crash. A big one, with no survivors. I would give this a coordinate of (100,0) because you know the entire time that it's going to happen, but when you hit the ground at 500 mph, you're not around long enough to feel anything. Same goes for jumping or falling from a large building.

    Conversely, it is hard to imagine a method of death with a coordinate of (0,100) because if you're in that much pain, you probably are aware that time is up soon.

    (100,100) would be torture (literally and figuratively).

    (0,0) would be the sniper shot to the head.

    But of course, I think most deaths fall in the middle of the square somewhere with unequal amounts of both fears. Suicide would be difficult to place because it depends on the mindset of the individual. Someone who decides to take pills and just fall asleep may be a (0,0) or not, depending on the emotional toll.

    Then there are natural deaths. Given that we're all going one way or the other, I would imagine the best way to go is in your sleep when you're very old. That's about a (0,0).

    The worst type of death would be around a (50,50) because most of us aren't in situations where a (100,100) is realistic. Drowning or other types of suffocation might be near here, but I don't really know, because, well, I'm still here.

    Anyways - like I said - I was just thinking the other day...

    Hope no one was offended, but I would appreciate any comments.
  20. Apr 24, 2006 #19
    I think you're missed the most important factor, which is the fear of ceasing to exist. I'm afraid of the physical pain, but I'm also afraid of the dentist so I don't see pain as particularly relevant. Emotional trauma is certainly something I'd like to avoid, but if I didn't have the fear of ceasing to exist, knowing I was about to die would mean the end of my suffering. Nothing to be particularly sad about.

    It's really the prospect of never again doing things you like and being with people you love that is scary. And if you like to quantify this, I'd say atheists get a 100, lunatics get 0, and religious people get various scores along the range (almost every religious person is both an atheist and a lunatic)

    Hope I'm not sorry you asked :smile:
  21. Apr 25, 2006 #20
    Very cool advice, Heartless.

    I notice that you point out many things about death... you know, like "no senses, no body, not experiencing wonders" and that sort of thing.

    I don't know why you know these things. These seem to me to be assumptions because, of course, you have never died. Try to let go of preconcieved presumptions. This makes things much easier on you.

    For example: if you tense up before jumping into the lake at midnight... everything is hieghtened in sensation. You're nerves are expecting a major uncomfortable hit. You "preconcieve" that the water is "freezing" so... even if it is 76 degrees, it will still be "freezing" to you because your mind has prepared your body for "freezing" water.

    Once you rationalize your position, of course, you realize the water is just fine. Its like going to a party and thinking everyone is going to notice the zit on your cheek. No one notices the zit but they do notice how you're always turning to one side and not really having any fun. Mean while... you rationalize you're situation and decide that everyone is ignoring you because of your zit when, in reality, they are ignoring you because of your attitude.

    I think we need to leave pre-conception out of our ideas of dieing... and living for that matter. We need to better flow with what is actually happening, at the moment, on the day... and be bloody good with our reactions. What what?
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