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What dark energy?

  1. Dec 26, 2009 #1
    I am a layman in these matters, but hear me out... The Universe was ejected from the primordial singularity, and that's all the dark energy there was. Light that is coming out of a gravity well is red-shifted. ‘Long ago’ and ‘far away’ mean the same thing. So, the Universe is bounded by its Beginning - by the Singularity that preceded the Big Bang, located 14 billion light years away all around us. Is it not that the red-shift we see in light coming from so-called receding galaxies is rather due to the fact that this light is climbing out of a gravity well (relative to us) at whose bottom lies the Big Bang Singularity beyond? WE are much farther from that bottom than those galaxies are, as they are farther in the past than we are. The light getting to us is more tired after the climb, just as the Cosmic Background Microwave radiation is. The Big Bang black hole still exists just as those galaxies do, out there in the distance, orchestrating cosmic developments through the medium of the speed of gravitational waves, which speed (the speed of light) I suspect has been increasing over time, depending on where you are on the timeline - your distance from the peripheral 'Centre'. I saw reports of a supernova located not much more than 300,000 years after the Big Bang, when the Universe was about a million or so light years across, we are told. It vexes me why it took 13.7 billion years (or so) years for this light to traverse such a small Universe to get to us if the speed of light had not been much lower then. Please someone, critique my reasoning and enlighten me.
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  3. Dec 28, 2009 #2
    Why do you think that photons are climbing gravity well? It is true that distant light is coming to us from regions which are (were) much denser, but when that light was emitted exact opposite was true. It was emitted towards regions which are (were) much denser.
    Light does not see proper time passing. Photon emitted at, say, t=1000, will be in any point in space during its journey at t=1000.
  4. Aug 18, 2011 #3
    Sorry I got sidetracked for such a long time. I have just read your comments of that time. Light climbing out of a near-black hole object must surely be red-shifted. Space is so compressed in there, and light must be travelling slower, but speeding up as it leaves the object. Why should this view not be applicable to the Universe at large? I don't understand what you mean by ancient light having been emitted towards denser regions. Those distant galaxies are in the past when the Universe was denser and their light has just arrived here when the Universer has become less dense.
  5. Aug 18, 2011 #4


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    Light is not traveling slower near a black hole. Light ALWAYS travels at c in every frame.

    Edit: Also, you seem to think that the big bang happened in one part of the universe and all matter came from there. This is not true. The universe itself was compressed into a tiny tiny volume. The expansion occurs everywhere all at the same time. There was never a dense singularity or region of space that the photon traveled from, to get to a less dense region. The entire universe, in all directions, expanded and became less dense over time.
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  6. Aug 18, 2011 #5


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    Incorrect. The universe was in no way shape or form "ejected" from a singularity. Spacetime expanded everywhere all at the same time and is still doing so.

    Nope. There is no denser region for the light to come from. When light was emitted from these far away galaxies the entire universe, including the area surround our local area, was denser.

    There is no Big Bang black hole. There is no one location that the universe occupied at the time of the big bang. And I have no idea why you think the speed of light has been increasing over time.

    Because the universe is expanding. When the light was emitted we were travelling away from the source. Because we were moving away from the source and because of the expansion of space, the time it has taken for light to reach us has increased from about 1 million years to 14 billion. Had the universe not been expanding and had we been stationary with respect to the emitting galaxy, the light would have reached us in 1 million years.
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