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Basing it on history?
russ_watters said:I am generally not in favor of making a little country for every ethnic group because the world has really moved past the nationalsim/ethnocentrism that led to the two world wars. That said, people were killing each other and that needed to be stopped - whatever it takes to prevent it should be done.
what are you talking about?russ_watters said:I am generally not in favor of making a little country for every ethnic group because the world has really moved past the nationalsim/ethnocentrism that led to the two world wars. That said, people were killing each other and that needed to be stopped - whatever it takes to prevent it should be done.
ardian007 said:what are you talking about?
so according to you what happened in Bosnia, in Croatia, was something good!
Not at all man, there were thousends of innocent peoples killed, and some still that are suffering, it is just a matter of time, and Kosovo will be independent. What do you think about the Genocide and ethnik-cleansing happened during year 1999? Shame on you, you are talking about a problem for which you don't have the minimal idea of what to say, do you?
**** you, Milloshevic and everyone that comes from Serbia & Montenegro... Chi gioca con il fuoco finishe brucciandosi?
I am generally not in favor of making a little country for every ethnic group because the world has really moved past the nationalsim/ethnocentrism that led to the two world wars. That said, people were killing each other and that needed to be stopped - whatever it takes to prevent it should be done.
Anttech said:What have the greeks go to do with it?
Kosovo should stay independent,
I agree; although I think that new state formation based on ethnicity might on occasion be the least bad solution in regions of the world that has not progressed much beyond tribalism.russ_watters said:I am generally not in favor of making a little country for every ethnic group because the world has really moved past the nationalsim/ethnocentrism that led to the two world wars. That said, people were killing each other and that needed to be stopped - whatever it takes to prevent it should be done.
su27killer said:It can't "stay" because it is not independent and it HAS NEVER BEEN.
Why ppl who don't know anything about the situation must say these stupid things?!
Anttech said:yeh yeh, I ment should be independent, and cut the sarcasim it makes you look like a child
And you failed to answer my Question, what has Greece got to do with it?
from the US Declaration of Independence - http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htmWhen in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
So what happened to the US confederacy?? And what happens if the afro-americans in Louisianna decide to go for independence? Or what if people in your street want independence? Where does this right to self-determination end?Astronuc said:First of all, national borders are arbitrary and have historically been determined through violence.
I emphatically support and endorse the right of 'self-determination'.
If the people of Kosovo wish to live in their own country - so be it!
I remind those who are free or live in a nation of their predominant ethnic or cultural group
from the US Declaration of Independence - http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm
That is my position. The Serbian government embarked on a rampage of genocide, and the population allowed it to happen. The Kosovars deserve, like anyone else, to live in secure environment, free from oppression.russ_watters said:So I support Kosovo's independence - not because of a nationalistic or racist desire to be their own country - but because they, like us, were actually oppressed.
It's not that genocide or 'mass killings' are disputed, there are thousands of corpses as evidence, it is a matter of proving who is responsible!And if Serbian government did genocide on Kosovo why they can't prove it in Haague for already 5 years?!
Not just that, but when the scale is so vast, there is a lot of evidence to go over. Compare that to Enron - the collapse of the company was 4 years ago and the trial for the CEO and CFO just started recently (in the past month or two).Astronuc said:It's not that genocide or 'mass killings' are disputed, there are thousands of corpses as evidence, it is a matter of proving who is responsible!
Astronuc said:It's not that genocide or 'mass killings' are disputed, there are thousands of corpses as evidence, it is a matter of proving who is responsible!
I was also referring to people like Radovan Karadžić - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radovan_Karadžić
Ratko Mladić - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratko_Mladic
and Željko Ražnatović - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War#War_crimes
I also am opposed to the KLA (UÇK) and any such organization that allows criminal activity.
russ_watters said:Not just that, but when the scale is so vast, there is a lot of evidence to go over. Compare that to Enron - the collapse of the company was 4 years ago and the trial for the CEO and CFO just started recently (in the past month or two).
The trial for Milo is underway and I'm certain of the outcome...
The international community sees a moral difference between the attempted extermination of an entire race of people and the accidental killing of a small group of people while bombing a legitimate target in the effort to stop that genocide. If you don't agree with that, that's up to you, but the difference seems like the Grand Canyon to me - and most of the rest of the world.su27killer said:You know that civilian train was shooted on bridge near Nis when more than 20 civilians died and NATO accelerated video to show that pilot haven't had time to react when he's seen train.
Why Clinton and Jamie Shea arent in Haague then?! They are strong?! They have atomic weapons?!
russ_watters said:The international community sees a moral difference between the attempted extermination of an entire race of people and the accidental killing of a small group of people while bombing a legitimate target in the effort to stop that genocide. If you don't agree with that, that's up to you, but the difference seems like the Grand Canyon to me - and most of the rest of the world.
Astronuc said:Another villian I missed in my previous post - Vojislav Sesel (Војислав Шешељ) and the Српскa радикалнa странкa.
The bombing of the train near Nis was an accident. The pilot dropped the bomb not knowing the train was approaching the target. During war, transportation infrastructure is a legitimate target to prevent mobilization and movement of troops.
Why do I hold the government responsible? Because the government has the authority, including command and control of the military. And I hold responsible the individuals who commit crimes against humanity, particularly against non-combatants, especially women and children.
Both sides of the conflict committed atrocities. There is plenty of guilt to go around..
Astronuc said:As for Milošević, he and his wife ( Mirjana Marković) stole millions of dollars/euro/dinars.
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This is a complex question with no easy answer. As a scientist, I cannot give a definitive yes or no answer. However, I can provide some background information to help you form your own opinion.
Some of the main arguments for Kosovo's independence include the fact that it has a distinct ethnic and cultural identity, and that the majority of its population supports independence. Additionally, Kosovo has been functioning as a de facto independent country for years, with its own government, laws, and institutions.
Opponents of Kosovo's independence argue that it would set a precedent for other regions seeking independence, potentially leading to destabilization and conflict. Some also argue that Kosovo's independence would violate international law and the principle of territorial integrity.
Kosovo's independence could have significant political and economic implications for the region. It could potentially strain relations between Kosovo and its neighboring countries, particularly Serbia. It could also have an impact on the stability of the Balkans as a whole.
Kosovo declared independence from Serbia in 2008, but its status is still disputed. It is recognized as an independent country by over 100 UN member states, but not by others, including Serbia and some of its allies. Negotiations between Kosovo and Serbia are ongoing to try and resolve the issue.