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'What dreams may come?

Does mankind have a point at the moment?

Poll closed Apr 25, 2007.
  1. Mankind is solid we are on the right track

    2 vote(s)
  2. Mankind is somewhat misguided but we'll get there eventually

    5 vote(s)
  3. Mankind is ok but could do better

    5 vote(s)
  4. we're just a pointless waste of space at the moment

    5 vote(s)
  5. other: pleaase explain?

    2 vote(s)
  6. x: I have no idea, and frankly I have no idea about your idea.

    1 vote(s)
  1. Feb 4, 2007 #1
    When you look at the sheer breadth and depth of human achievement; in philosophy, in science, in theology and in every medium, are you not puzzled by why we haven't moved on beyond being children?

    We are now at the age where we know enough that we are teenagers: got through the early years had a few wars blah blah blah; do you look at us and say, oh Good lord grow up? Or do you think we never will.

    I'm asking the ladies here as well because you know how childish men are: and don't foresake your responsibility either, get us to grow up, in politics in life.

    Can we grow up, can we get over our baser instincts, or are we doomed to play each other off in some facile war game that no one understands and no one's grown up enough to play anyway?
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  3. Feb 4, 2007 #2


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    Nah, no pints here, just the bottled stuff. :wink: :biggrin:
  5. Feb 4, 2007 #4
    It takes a certain element of psychosis to get anything really useful done, I find. Imagination is a transient of turmoil, not to be found in a steady state.
  6. Feb 4, 2007 #5
    I picked waste of space. I'm not entirely convinced we serve any purpose other than reproduction. If that is the case then our place in the universe is no different than anything else and, like most things, we simply take up space.
  7. Feb 4, 2007 #6
    If we can realise ourselves, there is something more to us than just space
  8. Feb 5, 2007 #7
    Actually with current populations reproduction isn't even an issue as a significant minority of us could just not bother. Essentially unless you believe in God there is no point to life, no magic, no mystery it just is.:eek:
  9. Feb 5, 2007 #8
    Does mankind have a pint at the moment?
    Mankind is solid we are on the right track
    Mankind is somewhat misguided but we'll get there eventually
    Mankind is ok but could do better
    I don't think that women can possibly have any valid input to this question, any more than men could possibly have any input to the question of abortion.
  10. Feb 5, 2007 #9
    I don't follow your reasoning?

    Are you saying women have no way of determining or commenting on the progress of humanity?

    I'll have a pint of lager thanks :smile: if you're offering :tongue:

    hehehehe sorry my wicked sense of humour, I've been dying to say that :smile:

    Can a mentor correct the typo in the original poll question?
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    I thought it was some weird British thing.
  12. Feb 5, 2007 #11
    This reminds me of Immanuel Kant and the Renaissance. We have grown up - it is just that we need to make others on outside do it as well.
  13. Feb 5, 2007 #12
    If it is it went straight over my head obviously, thanks and thanks for correcting the typo :smile:

    Well great minds think alike:wink::smile: I'm afraid I haven't read much Kant except about moral duty and his theory of ethics, I have read bits and pieces but only of the more mainstream philosophy.
  14. Feb 5, 2007 #13
    I think it has something to do with the lack of achievement in philosophy and theology.
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    Mankind is OK but could do better. Amof, everything is always OK but could always do better. :wink:

    Actually, I don't fully understand your question. Do you wonder why there are still negative things happening in the world (in the most general way) and why some of us are still acting/living on a very primitive/low level, while, on the other hand, we have such great achievements in science/art, etc., i.e. how can these two facts be true at the same time?
  16. Feb 5, 2007 #15
    Yes technologically we are superior, artisticly even culturally but socially and morally we are still operating at the same level as primitive scocieties under a thin surface of technological and cultural sophistication, now I know this may well change with globalisation and the internet etc. But the question is why are we so backward, philosophically whether theologically or secularly inspired, why are our morals in the stone age still? And why therefore socially are we so backward?

    That's human nature I'm afraid is no longer a valid reason for acting like a caveman :smile: we unlike many other animals can change our natures by will.
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    Well, the ones that are 'backward' are minimizing our 'average value'. The reasons behind are either lack of recieved love, lack of information, or lack of intelligence. But often, all of these three are mixed together into a very problematic concoction. That's all to it, I guess.

    I wouldn't blame it on nature. Human nature is, essentially, beautiful.
  18. Feb 5, 2007 #17
    I think the answer is we are working on it. Ethics, for example, may be approachable through a study of evolution and game theory. Or we can work on programs which do a primitive form of cognitive processing. That is simply the only way to do it. The grand explanations of theology just don't work & 2000 years of still quoting aquinas should have proved it to anybody's satisfaction. The scientific approach has paid big dividends in learning about the world, although it is mostly slow, technical and requires some competence at mathematics. (This is not a commercial, it just comes out that way.)
  19. Feb 5, 2007 #18

    im just trying out the LaTex feature, im very new to this
  20. Feb 5, 2007 #19
    loverly it works, sorry to spam this topic
  21. Feb 5, 2007 #20
    I don't think it really matters in GD, np :smile: since the latex programs that are used to test latex have been revised, you might want to test those though. I have been there though, I did the same at first when I discovered the original test program was flawed, just delete the post when you've finished if you like or whatever it doesn't really matter.:smile:


    Also there's plenty of stuff on this thread you can cut and paste which makes it even easier to write out even the most challenging of equations. Playing around with that thread you can learn latex in a few hours pretty much. Or at least be competent enough to post.
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