What Exactly Is Happening In the Arab/Persian World?

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A general view of the second day of protests:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/26/egypt-protests
The Guardian said:
Egypt protests: 'We ran a gauntlet of officers beating us with sticks'Jack Shenker, the Guardian's reporter in Cairo, was beaten and arrested alongside protesters in the capital last night. He made this remarkable recording while locked in the back of a security forces truck next to dozens of protesters
There's video as well... these are getting increasingly violent.


Two stories of captured and released BBC employees:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12289124

There is also a rumor that was mentioned on CNN that Mubarak's family has left the country, and I was wondering if anyone had information regarding that?
 

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The same thing that just happened in Tunisia.
 
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The same thing that just happened in Tunisia.
Not yet at least, but it's certainly far beyond anything in recent memory...
 
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Of course there are superficial similarities to what happened in Tunisia, people demonstrating in the streets against curruption and failed economic policies. However if you look beneath the superficial you will see that Tunisia is much closer to the Atlantic Ocean than Egypt and that makes them different.
 
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Of course there are superficial similarities to what happened in Tunisia, people demonstrating in the streets against curruption and failed economic policies. However if you look beneath the superficial you will see that Tunisia is much closer to the Atlantic ocean than Egypt and that make them different.
So this unrest in Egypt is significant in a local social and political sense, but not an "uprising"? If I'm misunderstanding, please correct me; I don't have an agenda, I'm curious and uninformed about this.
 
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So this unrest in Egypt is significant in a local social and political sense, but not an "uprising"?
Exactly. What occured in Tunisia was an uprising. However, what is going on in Egypt is unrest.
 
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Exactly. What occured in Tunisia was an uprising. However, what is going on in Egypt is unrest.
OK, that's what it looked like to me, but with the media being so sensational, it can be hard to tell. I appreciate the good information.
 
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OK, that's what it looked like to me, but with the media being so sensational, it can be hard to tell. I appreciate the good information.
Not at all. The fear now is that this will spread even further. Rebellion in Libya, insurrection in Algeria, insurgence in Morocco, upheaval in Syria, and revolt in Wyoming.
 
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some of these may be coming to a head because of rising food prices, world economy problems trickling down.
 
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Oooh. :cry:
 
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OK... CNN is reporting (via Ben Wedeman) that buildings in Suez are on fire, and the police response is increasing crowd numbers and violence. Why EGYPT!?.... and yes.. I know why Egypt, but this is a bad time for them to destabilize.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE70P2I720110126

Reuters said:
Jan 26 (Reuters) - Protesters in Suez set a government building on fire and tried to burn down a local office of Egypt's ruling party late on Wednesday, security sources and witnesses said.
 
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Now power is out in parts of Cairo... this doesn't look very good at all. I have to say, I know it's been rough in Egypt, but I didn't see this coming AT ALL.
 
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Why EGYPT!?.... and yes.. I know why Egypt, . . . .
Perhaps some people just reached the breaking point.

Egypt’s Young Seize Role of Key Opposition to Mubarak
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/27/world/middleeast/27opposition.htm [Broken]

NYTimes said:
For decades, Egypt’s authoritarian president, Hosni Mubarak, played a clever game with his political opponents.

He tolerated a tiny and toothless opposition of liberal intellectuals whose vain electoral campaigns created the facade of a democratic process. And he demonized the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood . . . .

But this . . . . relationship was upended this week by the emergence of an unpredictable third force, the leaderless tens of thousands of young Egyptians who turned out to demand an end to Mr. Mubarak’s 30-year rule.
. . . .
 
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Perhaps some people just reached the breaking point.

Egypt’s Young Seize Role of Key Opposition to Mubarak
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/27/world/middleeast/27opposition.htm [Broken]
Interesting, and troubling if that's the case! The exploding youth phenomenon is universal across the middle east... I understand their aspirations, but as an outsider this is a terrible time for the region to collapse.
 
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Interesting, and troubling if that's the case! The exploding youth phenomenon is universal across the middle east... I understand their aspirations, but as an outsider this is a terrible time for the region to collapse.
when's a good time?
 
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After I'm dead.
but isn't this exactly what we wanted? iraq was to be a beacon of democracy to the islamic world. we should be hoping for the same in iran.
 
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but isn't this exactly what we wanted? iraq was to be a beacon of democracy to the islamic world. we should be hoping for the same in iran.
Beacon of Democracy or Loci of Instability?
 
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Interesting, and troubling if that's the case! The exploding youth phenomenon is universal across the middle east... I understand their aspirations, but as an outsider this is a terrible time for the region to collapse.
Yes, they already call what happened in Tunisia – "The First Facebook Revolution" – and internet definitely played(s) a role in both Egypt and Tunisia.

But from what I have heard Egypt is quite different. Tunisia is a fairly small country with 10 million residents and it has been a French colony for 100 years. Many Tunisians travel/work/live in France and of course get 'western influences'.

Egypt is much bigger, 80 million residents, and what I heard form an 'expert' yesterday – the middle class alone are 25 millions and they do not want a 'revolution'...

... BUT right now they are talking on the news that the demonstration tomorrow (Friday) will gather 1,000,000 demonstrators ... then of course 'anything' could happen ... :eek:

Let’s hope: 'anything' = democracy
 
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Beacon of Democracy or Loci of Instability?
the instability was probably initiated by us destabilizing the world economy.
 
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the instability was probably initiated by us destabilizing the world economy.
You're not hearing any disagreements from me.
 
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Let’s hope: 'anything' = democracy
In Egypt, "democracy" = Muslim Brotherhood.
 

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