What Causes a Measurement to Change the State of a System in Quantum Mechanics?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of measurement in quantum mechanics and the different perspectives on it. While some argue that measurement involves bouncing photons off an object, others believe that the process of measurement itself is mysterious and not fully understood. The idea of measurement changing the state of a system is not strange, but the specific process by which this occurs is still under debate. Additionally, the popular explanation of measurement in quantum mechanics often invokes a sense of mystery or spookiness, but this is not necessarily the case. To fully understand the consequences of measurement in quantum mechanics, it is best to pursue a course in the subject or ignore attempts to make it seem mysterious.
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I read that measurement changes things because we have to bounce photons off an object to 'see' it and that changes its position, momentum etc...

But on the other hand, Griffiths' QM book seems to suggest we don't know what it is about measurement that changes the state of something. We don't know what's special about measurement, or what exactly constitutes measurement.

The photon idea sort of makes sense to me, so if it isn't actually the accepted answer, then why not? It's just that the photon thing and Griffiths seem to say different things.

From quickly googling this, most people seem to say that the act of measurement will always disturb the thing being measured. That doesn't seem particularly strange, does it? But until now, having only read books for laymen, I'd got the impression that the fact measurement changed things was bizarre and no-one knows why it changes things or even what exactly constitutes measurement... I'm quite confused.
 
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A measurement has occurred when the state of a system has an effect outside the system... broadly: the measurement apparatus.
Griffiths is broadly correct - the situation that is mysterious is the process by which a state turns into another state. It is often called "decoherence" or "wave function collapse". We do usually know the physics behind the devices we use to make a measurement or we would not be able to build them reliably.
Perhaps look up "Stern Gerlach experiment".

The photon approach is not accepted because, short answer, it is wrong: it gives the wrong idea about the statistics.

Note: a measurement of a system does not have to disturb the system.
For instance, measuring the energy of a system prepared in an eigenstate of energy will not alter the energy state of the system.
Usually the "measurement disturbs the system" comes up in context of Heisenberg's uncertainty ... where measurements of position affect the result of subsequent measurements of momentum. But there are other things we can measure: it is possible to prepare a system in simultaneous eigenstates of two or more measurable things ... in which case a measurement of anyone of them will have no effect on the outcome of measurements of any of the others.

Nobody feels that a measurement changing things is bizarre at all - of course interacting with a system can change it: if I poke you, it would be worrying if you didn't react.

The pop-sci books and videos are trying to invoke some sense of spookiness with QM and they don't usually do a good job.
Your best bet, if you want to pursue consequences more deeply, is to start an introductory course in QM - needs maths.
Otherwise, just ignore attempts by pop-sci media to make you think anything mysterious is happening.
 

1. What is a measurement in QM?

In quantum mechanics (QM), a measurement is the process of obtaining information about the state of a quantum system. It involves using physical instruments to interact with the system and obtain a numerical value, or "measurement", of a particular observable property of the system.

2. How is measurement different in QM compared to classical mechanics?

In classical mechanics, a measurement is usually thought of as a passive observation of a system, where the state of the system is unaffected by the measurement. In QM, however, the act of measurement fundamentally alters the state of the system, as described by the collapse of the wave function.

3. What are the different types of measurements in QM?

There are two main types of measurements in QM – projective measurements and general measurements. Projective measurements are idealized measurements that give a precise value for a specific observable, while general measurements can give a range of possible values for multiple observables.

4. How does the uncertainty principle affect measurements in QM?

The uncertainty principle in QM states that it is impossible to simultaneously know the exact values of certain pairs of observables, such as position and momentum, of a quantum system. This means that there will always be a level of uncertainty in the results of a measurement in QM.

5. Why is measurement important in QM?

Measurement is a crucial aspect of QM as it allows us to extract information about the quantum state of a system. This information is necessary for making predictions and understanding the behavior of quantum systems, which is important in fields such as quantum computing and quantum technology.

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