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ok people here is a little test moral charactor, reply to this thread with a list of things you consider to be sins / im-moral.
and we'll discuss them.
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and we'll discuss them.
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Originally posted by plus
Murder: What is a concrete definition of murder? Does a soldier do murder?
Rape: Everyone agreed that this is a sin?
Theft: Taking something from someone else? Under what conditions is it ok to do this?
e.g. if they had first stolen it off you, is this ok?
Don't compromise yourself. It's all you've got.Originally posted by drdeath
ok people here is a little test moral charactor, reply to this thread with a list of things you consider to be sins / im-moral.
and we'll discuss them.
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Originally posted by M. Gaspar
Cruelty to animals would BE a sin, as we have no right to take the pleasure from their existence ...to replace it with PAIN.
Maybe, then, it is a "sin" to take the life of any animal. Or maybe, on some level, there is an "agreement" that they will "give" their life...but this would not include pain.
The REAL question is: Who's the Judge?
WHICH society? Because if you accept that "sins" are basically from society and from man, then the conclusion is simple. Everything prohibited in your little book of law is sinful.Originally posted by drdeath
but in the context of society what would you say are sins/im-moral
I don't think they're being sin-cere.Originally posted by Iacchus32
Yes, but what do they mean by "sin-ister?"
Perhaps it all beigins with a lie then? ... To oneself?Originally posted by M. Gaspar
I don't think they're being sin-cere.
Originally posted by Iacchus32
Perhaps it all beigins with a lie then? ... To oneself?
I would think so, if it means lying to somebody in order to take advantage of their gullibility. Whereas fraud would be the same as stealing.Originally posted by maximus
speaking of lieing, is lieing a sin? fraud?
Originally posted by drdeath
ok let's do away with term sin, let's just ask what is moral / immoral, what do each of you think is immoral/wrong, and why. and what do you think is moral/right and why?
Originally posted by M. Gaspar
How about something a bit more pragmatic, like: what works and what doesn't work...with regard to running a society, a relationship, or one's life.
Originally posted by Zero
There's no such thing as sin...not in a meaningful way. After all, even rape was socially approved in the Bible...
Originally posted by Dissident Dan
I don't follow the argument that goes something like:
"We will never all agree on morality, so there is not really morality. I mean, who's the judge, anyway?"
Let me give a semantically identical sentence:
"We will never all agree on physics, so there is not really physics. I mean, who's the judge, anyway?"
So let's extend this thought to its logical conclusion...Originally posted by Dissident Dan
Let's look at another example. Let's say that we want to figure out the best way to maximize profits in a business. Now, provided that you have enough people, there will be many different ideas presented, with different people believing that different ones are best. Does this mean that there is no best way to maximize profits? No, there very well could be. People agreeing on stuff has no bearing on its truth, otherwise, nothing could be true, because there is no one thing upon which all people agree, but then this statement could not be true, because not all people would agree upon it...and so forth. [/B]
I thought that was latin for "left handed"...Originally posted by Iacchus32
Yes, but what do they mean by "sin-ister?"
Really? Well, on the one hand you have all that's right, and on the other you have all that's left. Get it? ... the difference between right and wrong -- i.e., all that's left?Originally posted by FZ+
I thought that was latin for "left handed"...
Originally posted by maximus
bad analogy. physics is self-evident and it's affects observable. morality is a debatable term. it obeys no laws, has no properties, and cannot really be observed. it's subjective to the point where it can't be said to exist as a constant anywhere. at least in GR physics you have a well defined constant of light.
Of course there's more than one Biblical reference that says the right-handed choice was the "preferred choice."Originally posted by FZ+
It's just an entymlogical footnote about the origin of the word. It is interesting how it got warped into this current meaning... Or was it just a co-incidence?
Or can we extract some philosophical statement as to the arbitary nature of sin and righteousness (maybe that meant right handed ) from this?
Plus: Then the idea lefthanded = evil would itself present a working definition of sin. A rather pointless and prejudiced one that we probably don't agree with, but one never the less.