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What you did in your example was show that mathematics' rules are consistent with the model you proposed. This is a plus point for mathematics, and the model. It doesn't prove that (-1)*(-1)=1. Whether or not such a view of mathematics as divorced from what it is modelling is a good thing is a whole other philosophical kettle of fish. They each have their flaws - yours because it presupposes physical intuition, and the acceptance of signed quantities in the first place.

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# What is, and was Mathematics?

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