What is beyond knowledge ?

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“Actual knowledge is identical with its object”

Aristotle (via Popper 'The Problem of Induction' 1953)

In the end it's a logically unavoidable conclusion. Even some physicists agree...

“When we encounter the Void, we feel that it is primordial emptiness of cosmic proportions and relevance. We become pure consciousness aware of this absolute nothingness; however, at the same time, we have a strange paradoxical sense of its essential fullness. This cosmic vacuum is also a plenum, since nothing seems to be missing in it. While it does not contain in a concrete manifest form, it seems to comprise all of existence in a potential form. In this paradoxical way , we can transcend the usual dichotomy between emptiness and form, or existence and non-existence. However, the possibility of such a resolution cannot be adequately conveyed in words; it has to be experienced to be understood.” (my italics)

Staislav Grof – The Cosmic Game – 1998 State University of New York
 
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Originally posted by Mentat
And how do you know that? You obviously beleive you have some knowledge of God, otherwise you wouldn't know how to "experience" Him.
First of all knowledge is derived from the past (retrospect) as well as the future (speculative), whereas the experience entails the "here and now." Indeed, there's a difference between reading about something in a book, what we would call a vicarious experience, and taking "the journey" ourselves.

In answer to your question more directly ... Experience is the actual or "living knowledge" which is aquired through intimacy or familiarity with a subject and thus developing a first hand account. So, although knowledge will lead us to the experience, the experience must ultimately override the knowledge. Why? Because knowledge is none other than a second hand account of the first hand account which -- and get this -- involves taking someone else's word for it! :wink:
 
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Originally posted by Iacchus32
First of all knowledge is derived from the past (retrospect) as well as the future (speculative), whereas the experience entails the "here and now." Indeed, there's a difference between reading about something in a book, what we would call a vicarious experience, and taking "the journey" ourselves.

In answer to your question more directly ... Experience is the actual or "living knowledge" which is aquired through intimacy or familiarity with a subject and thus developing a first hand account. So, although knowledge will lead us to the experience, the experience must ultimately override the knowledge. Why? Because knowledge is none other than a second hand account of the first hand account which -- and get this -- involves taking someone else's word for it! :wink:
But, of course you already know I'm going to ask you, "How do you know that?". It will go on and on like this, because you, like the ancient philosophers have deemed knowledge completely uncertain (even if you replace it with certain experience), and thus should be questioning your own questioning...it is paradoxical, but I didn't make it that way, you did :wink:.
 
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How do you know what a scrambled egg omelette tastes like? I'm sure I could go into full detail in describing its taste, and even suggest a thousand ways in which to prepare it, but I can assure you, nothing beats tasting it for yourself! :wink:
 

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