What is the nature of the bond in sodium dodecylbenzene sulfonate?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the bond in sodium dodecylbenzene sulfonate, specifically focusing on whether the sodium ion is involved in an ionic bond and how it relates to the overall structure of the compound. The scope includes conceptual clarification and technical explanation of bonding types.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the bonding in sodium dodecylbenzene sulfonate and questions whether the sodium ion forms an ionic bond.
  • Another participant clarifies that there are both ionic and covalent bonds in the compound, suggesting that the sodium ion does not have a physical bond to the rest of the structure.
  • A later reply emphasizes that an ionic bond is a legitimate physical bond, noting that the sodium ion is bonded to one of the oxygen atoms in the sulfonate group, despite the absence of a "stick" representation in the structure.
  • One participant acknowledges the explanation and confirms the understanding that the sodium ion does not require a physical "stick" to be considered bonded.

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Participants generally agree that the sodium ion is involved in an ionic bond, but there is some confusion regarding the representation of this bond and the nature of physical bonding compared to covalent bonds. The discussion reflects differing interpretations of how ionic bonds are visually represented in molecular structures.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions about bond representation and the definitions of physical bonds. The conversation does not resolve the nuances of how ionic and covalent bonds are depicted in molecular diagrams.

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I have to write a report on the bonds of the following element sodium doecylbenzene sulfonate. The problem is in the pic (see pic) the sodium doesn't have a bond to anything is this an ionic bond? Plz help I'm extremely confused:bugeye:
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Do you mean the compound sodium decylbenzene sulfonate or sodium dodecylbenzene sulfonate? Either way, you'll have one ionic bound like you said, but there are other covalent bonds that you can explain.
 
ok thanks so the sodium doesn't have an actaul physical bond to the rest of the structure (no stick attaching to the rest of the structure) because its an ionic bond right
 
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ok thanks so the sodium doesn't have an actaul physical bond to the rest of the structure (no stick attaching to the rest of the structure) because its an ionic bond right
An ionic bond is no less of an actual physical bond than a covalent bond. In fact, the only difference between what are called covalent and ionic bonds is in the polarity of the bond.

In the absence of a polar solvent, the Na+ ion does not float about, detached from the rest of the molecule - it is bonded at one of the three oxygen (red) atoms of the sulfonate group. In fact, if you look carefully, the picture shows a white stick on one of the oxygen atoms, so that's the "stick" that attaches it to the rest of the structure. Of course, there is no reason (other than for the sake of representation) to specifically choose one of the O-atoms over the other two.
 
oh so that is an ionic bond, there is no need for a "stick" to be attached to the sodium
 

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