Explaining Spacetime Dragging: Gravity, EM & Smooth Objects

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of spacetime being dragged by symmetrical and smooth objects like black holes and spinning neutron stars. It is explained that this is due to the stress-energy tensor and how spacetime geometry propagates. The analogy of a viscous liquid is used to understand this concept, although it has its limitations. It is also mentioned that the source of gravity is not just mass, but also includes momentum density, pressure, and stress. The conversation concludes with suggestions for further research on the stress-energy tensor and the Einstein field equations.
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I'm looking for a simple explanation or decent analogy whereby something that is symmetrical and smooth like a black hole or even a spinning neutron star can drag spacetime as if spacetime was a viscous liquid. It guess it might make sense to me if gravity was unified with EM.

I can see how two massive objects orbiting each other could cause ripples, but I don't understand how something that is completely smooth and rotating can drag space around it. Maybe the Earth because it's lumpy. Obviously smooth things do drag spacetime and probably the Earth dragging has nothing to do with the lumpiness.

So how does spacetime "know" that there is a smooth rotating object nearby? What is happening at the boundary of the object, if indeed the boundary has anything to do with it.
 
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bland said:
I'm looking for a simple explanation or decent analogy whereby something that is symmetrical and smooth like a black hole or even a spinning neutron star can drag spacetime as if spacetime was a viscous liquid.

You just gave the analogy: a viscous liquid. It's a limited analogy, but it works within its limitations.

bland said:
Obviously smooth things do drag spacetime and probably the Earth dragging has nothing to do with the lumpiness.

Correct.

bland said:
how does spacetime "know" that there is a smooth rotating object nearby?

Because spacetime geometry propagates. The object itself is rotating, which affects the spacetime geometry inside the object, which in turn affects the spacetime geometry outside the object.
 
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PeterDonis said:
Because spacetime geometry propagates. The object itself is rotating, which affects the spacetime geometry inside the object, which in turn affects the spacetime geometry outside the object.

So does that mean that it's the gradient of the gravity that by rotating about an axis creates the unevenness that affects the geometry?
 
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bland said:
does that mean that it's the gradient of the gravity that by rotating about an axis creates the unevenness that affects the geometry?

No. "Gravity" is another way of saying "spacetime geometry". It isn't what causes the spacetime geometry. What causes the spacetime geometry is the stress-energy tensor (via the Einstein Field Equation), plus how spacetime geometry propagates.
 
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bland said:
So how does spacetime "know" that there is a smooth rotating object nearby?
In GR the source of gravity is not just mass, it is the stress energy tensor. This tensor includes energy density (mostly mass), but it also includes momentum density, pressure, and stress.

A rotating and a non rotating spherical object may have the same energy density, but they will have different momentum densities. They are fundamentally different sources, and the spacetime geometry responds differently to the different momentum densities.
 
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OK thanks Dale and PD for that answer, I will do some research into the 'stress energy tensor'.
 
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bland said:
OK thanks Dale and PD for that answer, I will do some research into the 'stress energy tensor'.
"Einstein field equations" and "Kerr-Newman solution" as search terms will get you started. But fasten your sear belt - it will be a bumpy ride.
 

1. What is spacetime dragging?

Spacetime dragging, also known as frame-dragging, is a phenomenon in which a massive object's rotation causes a distortion in the surrounding spacetime, dragging nearby objects along with it.

2. How does spacetime dragging relate to gravity?

Spacetime dragging is a result of Einstein's theory of general relativity, which describes gravity as the curvature of spacetime caused by massive objects. Therefore, the rotation of a massive object causes a distortion in spacetime, resulting in the force of gravity.

3. What is the difference between spacetime dragging and gravitational waves?

While both involve the distortion of spacetime, gravitational waves are ripples in spacetime caused by the acceleration of massive objects, while spacetime dragging is a continuous distortion caused by the rotation of a massive object.

4. How does electromagnetism relate to spacetime dragging?

Electromagnetism is one of the four fundamental forces of nature, along with gravity, and is described by the theory of quantum electrodynamics. While electromagnetism does not directly affect spacetime, it does interact with gravity, as described by Einstein's theory of general relativity.

5. Can spacetime dragging occur around all objects?

Spacetime dragging can occur around any object with mass and rotation, but the effect is more significant for more massive and rapidly rotating objects. For example, it is most noticeable around black holes and neutron stars.

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