What side do you think is going to win in real life?
Tell me why too.
What is your definition of "win" and in what situation would you believe the decision to be settled.
chaos always wins.
haha thats a nice physical way of putting it.
I'll say the average will always win
Evil's not really trying to win because that would be something good. ;)
Evil and Good don't exist.
good and evil do not exist???
Perhaps I'll make poll about the dumbest poll on PF..
Its just a way of saying everyone should be able to do whatever they want as long as they can dream up some sort of excuse your not allowed to argue against.
Things just happen. That's all there is to it. The Holocaust or you having a muffin with your cereal are equal in that they're just events.
In this world, evil has always won and always will. Being good severely limits your options, while evil people can do whatever they want. They have an unfair advantage. Also, winning itself implies an evil act, as it means taking away from someone or destroying something.
But if there's another world, with different rules, then evil may cease to exist. Only in that case good may be said to have won, simply be remaining alive while the opponent kills itself.
Things are not really that black and white. . .
The ball keeps rolling downhill,
Time's Arrow on the move.
The Prince of Chaos gets his share,
And in the end . . . we loose.
good and evil don't exist. they are just pov.
It's AAAALL Good!
I'm with Smurf on this one. Good and evil are both strictly human-made concepts, and no 2 humans agree exactly upon which is which or where the lines are drawn. The only universal force is indifference.
Gravity's pretty ubiquitous.
Maybe a better way of putting this would be as time approaches infinity, does society approach a happy utopia or do we whipe ourselves off the face of the earth.
Of course, as far as i know, theres no mathematically based law that defines this relationship.
goooooo toooo the light..oh wait, wrong movie..
your virtuous good is someone else's evil malcontent
History is always written by the victors.
As time approaches infinity, society approaches heat death/Big Crunch .
I don't think an entire society can ever be completely happy, since there will always be someone who disagrees with the contented majority. And of course, the society will need some way to get rid of these people. But how can a society be Utopian and happy (by our standards) if it's actively neutralizing dissidents? It really is a matter of definition: what seems evil to you is good to others, and what is an evil society to you is Utopia to others. That's how it'll always be.
We have to die eventually. Our race won't last forever, the universe might not last forever. Mathematically the only answer is as time approaches infinity our race will be destroyed.
This is not directed back at Zantra, but is a question for all who use this quote:
I see the truth in this, and have no choice but to agree... however I always have difficulties in stomaching the idea that everything we know, learn and teach is a half truth based on the victors perspective.
Basically, this way of thinking is encourages an aggressive approach for all future undertakings. Fairly sickening and worrisome as aggressors are seldom those who use their big muscle. What do you think?
I think you're missing the real truth in that statement.
"History is always written by the victors" is a way of saying, in a historical (military) context, that everything we learn and read is not truth per se, but rather a persons perspective on truth. How accurate that is, or how much you should agree with their perspective (should you know the real 'truth') is debatable.
Not my most articulate moment, but I hope that is somewhat clearer.
Well, if there is only one real truth to this statement, then perhaps I failed to communicate my full understanding of it...
nonetheless, i do realize what it means, however my point was that this statement is used so much that it ALSO implies that "this is how it is and how it will be" and so the underlying message is that "might is right". To those who are unable to find a higher ground:
"if you got the guns, use them, no one will remember because you will just cover it up."
My point is that this line should be used less, as it can certainly be viewed out of context.
These are just thoughts to add on to thoughts... eloquence is secondary to the intended thought...
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