# What type of cam is this?

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1. Apr 25, 2017

### mechengstudent

I am trying to determine what type of cam this is from the various cam diagrams but they don't really help as they all seem very similar. I have a simple four arc cam, so a base circle/arc, a nose circle/arc and an arc on one side tangent to the nose and base arcs, and another of slightly different radius on the other side/flank.

I am trying to design this in Solidworks but they have a drop down list containing a whole heap of different cams like so:

Can someone tell me what type of cam/motion of the cam this is?

2. Apr 25, 2017

### Staff: Mentor

I believe it is called a dwell cam, with 4 intervals - rise interval, dwell interval, return interval, dwell interval. You would likely see one in a four cycle gasoline engine.

3. Apr 25, 2017

### Dr.D

You will never be able to tell one type of cam from another by simply looking at it. The differences are very slight, the sort of differences that measured in one hundred thousandths of an inch.

You could draw a (visually) close approximation to that cam as a 4 arc cam, but that would never be truly accurate.

Do you know the source of that picture? Modified sine and modified trapezoid are popular cam profiles for industrial machinery, but polynomial cams are almost mandatory in competition IC engines.

4. Apr 25, 2017

### mechengstudent

If I had to choose each segment from the dropdown box, what would I select for the rise, the nose and the return?

5. Apr 25, 2017

### Dr.D

I think you might want to print this figure out so that you can scale the drawing. The measure the nose radius and the included angle. Also measure the base radius and estimate where the rise begins. From that you can estimate the angular duration of both the rise and the return.

Once you have these "measured values" scaled from the figure, you should plan to iterate your choices until you are satisfied with the appearance of the result. There is no guarantee of an exact fit; you don't know exactly what you are fitting.

6. Apr 25, 2017

### mechengstudent

This is a cam I designed from given data. I know all the measurements but I just don't know how to make it using the Solidworks cam design tool as I don't know what the names are for each section. That's all I need, what each arc section is called as per the names in the dropdown box

7. Apr 25, 2017

### Dr.D

8. Apr 25, 2017

### mechengstudent

I just want to know what type of motion the cam segments are. The first, base circle is clearly a dwell motion. What is the next called? Is it a constant acceleration, harmonic, double harmonic etc.? And what is the nose? It isn't a dwell or harmonic.

9. Apr 25, 2017

### Dr.D

I thought I said above, you will never be able to identify the cam type from a picture. If you plot the data from which the picture is developed, and then do some curve fitting, you should be able to tell.

10. Apr 25, 2017

### Nidum

Draw the follower and guide system as well and then plot the motion over 360 deg rotation .

I'm not sure whether you are analysing a given cam profile or trying to design a new one ?

11. Apr 25, 2017

### mechengstudent

As I also said above, I DESIGNED THIS CAM. I have all the measurements, it is a four arc cam, with each arc tangent to the next. That picture is a screenshot of the one I made on the computer. I made it from the information I was given, the rise angle, return angle, nose radius, base radius and lift. What I don't know is what each of those arc segments are called. If it is a four arc cam, with each arc tangent to the next, there should be enough information to determine what type of motion each segment is called. That is all I would like to know.

12. Apr 25, 2017

### mechengstudent

I have designed this one. But I don't know the terms for what type of motion each segment is. I would like to know it so I can recreate it in the program I took a screenshot of above. In the program they don't use the information I was given, like rise angle, return angle, nose size etc. They use terminology like harmonic, constant acceleration etc. to describe the segments.

13. Apr 25, 2017

### Nidum

14. Apr 25, 2017

### jack action

15. Apr 25, 2017

### mechengstudent

Yes it is very similar to our lecture slides. Unfortunately I can't tell from my cam what the type of motion each segment is unless I simulate it. And I can't simulate it without knowing what type of motion each segment is. That is why I am asking someone with a bit more knowledge about cams than me what my four arc cam would be. Each arc is a radius of a normal circle and they run tangent to each other.

16. Apr 25, 2017

### mechengstudent

I have many resources and textbooks I can look at but nobody seems able to tell me what type of motions my four arc cam would be