What would you do for no pay?

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What community-oriented work would you do for no pay?


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Evo said:
I thought pattylou was talking about volunteer work outside of my regular job. If what she meant was if I didn't have to work, all of my needs were cared for already, would I work for free anyway...NO, I might volunteer time to time.
I figured most people missed it (I hadn't considered that interpretation, though), but this poll is an offshoot of a conversation in the politics forum...
 
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All I've ever wanted to do was to have a huge animal shelter. I wish I could find some way to do that and make a living at it, but that's tough. If I had all the money I needed, that's what I would do.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I love your barbie borg.
 
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russ_watters said:
Anyway, the poll, pattylou, is poorly constructed. If you want to know if people would work if they did not have to (or if you didn't get paid), you should ask (a) 'would you work if you did not have to?' or (b) 'what would you do if you did not get paid to work?' in a straightforward yes-or-no way and provide yes or no answers. It appears that the question people are answering is (c) 'if you did not get paid, but still had to work, what would you do?' and the conclusions you drew cannot be gathered from answering that question.


(a) Obviously there is a need to work in any situation where people hope to live. We need to eat and have shelter. Question 'a' is senseless.

(b) There is no stratification of wealth in this scenario, and so your question 'b' is the same as my poll.

(c) I fail to understand how you cannot draw conclusions based on the way the question was framed.

I think you're wrong in your assessment of what people here thought they were answering, and whether conclusions can be drawn. I'll start a poll to see.
 
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Evo said:
I thought pattylou was talking about volunteer work outside of my regular job. If what she meant was if I didn't have to work, all of my needs were cared for already, would I work for free anyway...NO, I might volunteer time to time.

Volunteering *is* working for free. And your needs aren't provided, unless the community (of which you are a part) is able to provide them. Nowhere did I (or anyone) imply that needs are met without any input from individuals, Russ is mistaken if he is projecting that onto the question.

I also never stipulated how much time would need to be donated per person (I don't know what it would take in a well run money-less society).
 
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I voted 'other'. I was thinking of some care-in-the-community type thing, helping former PF poll addicts get on with their lives. I may start as soon as I've finished my caption kick. I did think about working with children, but I think I'd get more done on my own.

I have never had MTV. Has anyone else never had MTV? Maybe I should start a thread. Should I start a thread? Is asking if you should start a thread off-topic? Don't tell me if it is.
 
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If by starting such a thread you are contributing to the welfare of the community, then in no way is asking such thing off topic on this thread.
 
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Theoreticaly its best for everyone to help and work together for free. In this case personaly I would work for free. but unfortunatly many people will abuse and take advantage of the system and thus resulting in corruption. In the system that we live in today (work for money) I do not want to work for free unless I'll be working with 2 or 3 other people who are also doing the deed for free.

We all know that how we work will never change. It will alway's be for money. Trying to convince someone else is useless and won't change anything. Makeing little changes approaching working for free is stupid because people will complain about child labour which will limit the activity so no sides may make a profit of money. Also these little changes will make it harder for the society to build itself since the societies sorrounding it rely on money.
 
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I checked 'hunting'; although I don't do it for sport, I certainly would for food if necessary. Also 'teaching', although I'm with Moonbear on the babysitting issue. Also 'other', which would be my favourite activities of mechanical design/building/maintenance, flying, helping out with lab work or whatnot. And, of course, being SOS's love slave.:tongue2:
 
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Realistically, I would probably do any of those things if those that I cared about needed me to. On the other hand, I'm not sure I would really enjoy doing any of them (except education), so I wouldn't be likely to devote my life to it.

I do believe that a certain amount of philanthropy is good for a society and I certainly don't think that every act of kindness encourages laziness, but there are always limits. Helping out in a nursing home or giving some occasional free tutoring (or posting on PF! :smile:) can be very good. Giving money to every homeless person you pass on the street...probably not the best idea.
 
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eax said:
Theoreticaly its best for everyone to help and work together for free.
What theory is this ?
 
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Gokul43201 said:
What theory is this ?
Hypothetically? :biggrin:
 
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pattylou said:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I love your barbie borg.
thank you. It's my halloween costume. :smile:
 
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I selected other.

I would volunteer my time 24/7 to the destruction of the society in which I lived.
 
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LOL. You're an angel, Jimmie.
 
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You left a few options off the poll.

1) coal miner
2) fry cook
3) shoe shiner
4) Prison warden
5) person who cleans up vomit at disneyland
6) chimney sweep
7) garbage collector

How many of you would do THOSE jobs for free? There's a reason you have to pay people to do those jobs- they're HORRIBLE. But they're all very important jobs, so if you want a good society, someone has to do them. And if no one's willing to do them voluntarily for the good of others (and they shouldn't!) you're going to have to FORCE them to.

What a glorious society it'll be when we replace paid labor with slave labor.:mad:
 
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I wouldn't mind collecting garbage. Who the hell needs someone else to shine their own shoes in the first place? What kind of whimps do you think live in our worlds :biggrin:

edit: actually the same goes for cooking, sweeping your chimney and cleaning up your own vomit.

I assume whoever runs disneyland will clean up disneyland
 
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pi-r8 said:
You left a few options off the poll.
1) coal miner
2) fry cook
3) shoe shiner
4) Prison warden
5) person who cleans up vomit at disneyland
6) chimney sweep
7) garbage collector
How many of you would do THOSE jobs for free? There's a reason you have to pay people to do those jobs- they're HORRIBLE. But they're all very important jobs, so if you want a good society, someone has to do them. And if no one's willing to do them voluntarily for the good of others (and they shouldn't!) you're going to have to FORCE them to.
What a glorious society it'll be when we replace paid labor with slave labor.:mad:

Based on the other poll about understanding this poll, I'd say there are a LOT of things left off this one. The list here includes fairly respectable jobs, not the really menial, disgusting jobs that I can't imagine anyone would do if they weren't paid for it. Who will clean those absolutely filthy public restrooms, especially after some deranged person gets in and spreads feces on all the surfaces (yes, this does happen), or collect the trash, or empty the septic tanks, or climb around mucky crawlspaces to exterminate termites, ants or the ocassional raccoon? Who would be a hospital orderly responsible for cleaning up the mess in the ER when the floor is covered in bodily fluids? Just because you can find people to volunteer for this one list of jobs, it doesn't mean you can find people willing to volunteer for all the jobs society needs to have done. Heck, there are some jobs that it's hard enough to find people to do them for pay let alone without pay.
 
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Ok, so maybe shoe shining isn't the most crucial sector of the economy. But would you really want to be a garbageman? You said you wouldn't mind doing it, but would you honestly do it if everything was free? More importantly, do you think enough people would do it, and do it well?
 
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If I was being provided with everything from some magical entity, no I wouldn't collect garbage. I assume that magical entity which gives me everything I need would take away everything I don't need too.
 
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Smurf said:
I assume whoever runs disneyland will clean up disneyland
Just one person is going to do all the work there? That doesn't even make sense. Do you have any idea how many employees they have? (I'm sure Zz can answer off the top of his head if you need a precise number). I guess your world won't have many things like Disneyland, because those require employees to run them. But if they have to do everything for themselves, even things they aren't particularly good at, they won't have time for recreation anyway.
 
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Smurf said:
If I was being provided with everything from some magical entity, no I wouldn't collect garbage. I assume that magical entity which gives me everything I need would take away everything I don't need too.
Ah, well, if we're talking about a magical world where things we want just appear and things we don't want just disappear, then there's really no reason for anyone to do anything other than have parties all the time. :biggrin:
 
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Moonbear said:
I guess your world won't have many things like Disneyland
I'm counting on it.
But if they have to do everything for themselves, even things they aren't particularly good at, they won't have time for recreation anyway.
See now I always thought that people weren't good at things because they never did them. I don't know, I guess you could figure that maybe 20% of the population is genetically incapable of cleaning up puke. Poor them. I guess they'll have to go to someone who is genetically capable of cleaning up puke and ask really nicely. With any luck that person will be genetically incapable of putting frying pans on the stove. Maybe they could exchange services.
 
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Moonbear said:
Ah, well, if we're talking about a magical world where things we want just appear and things we don't want just disappear, then there's really no reason for anyone to do anything other than have parties all the time. :biggrin:
Yeah. Anyone have any ideas how to get to a world where things just appear with no effort? I don't think I've ever heard any theories about that before, would be cool.
 
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Smurf said:
I'm counting on it.
There are quite a few people who enjoy going to amusement parks and there are also people who enjoy building them and running them.

Smurf said:
See now I always thought that people weren't good at things because they never did them. I don't know, I guess you could figure that maybe 20% of the population is genetically incapable of cleaning up puke. Poor them. I guess they'll have to go to someone who is genetically capable of cleaning up puke and ask really nicely. With any luck that person will be genetically incapable of putting frying pans on the stove. Maybe they could exchange services.
There are people who are germaphobes and people who can not stand the sight or smell of vomit. I once met a woman that would become nauseous if you so much as spit into a napkin in front of her.
On other matters there are quite a few people who are just terrible at math. One of the most common jobs is running a register and as far as I can tell most likely about one in ten of those who have ever worked the job consistantly screwed it up.
 
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I wouldn't mind cleaning up other people's vomit, etc, even feces, for some period of time.

Off hand I say I'd be willing to do something like that once or twice a month.

Of course, for my family I do that daily.

(I expect most everyone here knows how to wipe themselves, after all, and therefore we all have practical experience with feces - cleaning.)

One advantage of a whateverist society we're talking about, is that jobs could get shuffled. Can you imagine if we were already that society, discussing a *specialised* society in which you have to do the same job 40 hours a week for years on end? i expect we'd have a number of posters who thought such a set up was completely insane. (Yet that's the kind of society we have at present.)

It certainly isn't part of our evolution to never vary what we're doing. We're generalists by nature.
 

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