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What's happening in France?

  1. Nov 1, 2005 #1
    Just read this article, especially the last paragraph(http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/31/news/france.php)

    Sarkozy is the Interior Minister of France

    Are the French too weak to stand up to these gangsters?
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  3. Nov 1, 2005 #2
    Something tells me its not gangsters but closer to a popular revolt.
  4. Nov 1, 2005 #3
    Hey, there is testosterone everywhere, nothing unusual, just an incident France is very peaceful, keep walking, people
  5. Nov 1, 2005 #4
    Are you being sarcastic Andre?

    'coz 20-40 burnt cars/night is not peaceful at all.
  6. Nov 1, 2005 #5


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    Just send a riot squad from LA, this is nothing :P
  7. Nov 1, 2005 #6
    Hey ... they used to burn sheep.

    I guess PETA went after them for that.
  8. Nov 1, 2005 #7


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    Now i want to laugh as if you were kidding....

    yet i DO remember something in Europe where like, people were dieing and there was destruction and PETA comes in and demands the animals be left out of it and cared for. But then again as I continue to ponder this hilarious situation... i think its actually africa and there was something with putting bombs on camels (which makes me think maybe its the middle east instead).

    In any case, hilarious.
  9. Nov 1, 2005 #8
    No, I think that was the old Johnny Carson Joke...

    "Folks, I don't want to worry you but Iran has just gone nuclear ... Don't worry too much because they still have to drop it off the back of an ox cart."
  10. Nov 2, 2005 #9
    France is generally peaceful.. I mean would you not say the States is peaceful internally? What with the aftermath of katrina, LA Riots etc etc
  11. Nov 2, 2005 #10


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    Are you seriously thinking a few days of trouble in 2 cities years (and actually we're talking about over a decade) apart shows internal problems?? And of course most of the sensationalized reports coming out of NO ended up having no proof...
  12. Nov 2, 2005 #11
    The Minister said that this violence is a daily fact of life in the suburbs. LA riots as Pengwuino pointed out lasted only for a few days and happened more than 13 years ago.
  13. Nov 2, 2005 #12
    America has 8.5 times as many murders per head than France. Not sure I'd call that especially peaceful.
  14. Nov 2, 2005 #13
    El Hombre,

    First of all absolute numbers matter. If France has say 1 murder per 1000 people while America has 8 murders per thousand people, while not healthy it would not be alarming either. If France has 10 murders per 1000 people while America has 80 murders per 1000 people, it would be very alarming.

    Secondly, murder is a sign of high crime while car burning is more of a sign of anarchism and chaos. For instance if 20 people die in riots, it will be much worse than if 20 people are murdered during the same period of time because while one is due to high crime, the other is due to a collapse of law in the society.
  15. Nov 2, 2005 #14
    I'd still rather have my car burnt than be shot, thanks. Talking about absolute numbers, how many cars were burned per 1000 cars in France? If it was the odd one, by your own logic, not too much to be concerned about. If it was 80 per 1000 cars burned, then I agree we should be worried. :smile:
  16. Nov 2, 2005 #15
    20-40 cars burnt/day is an alarming situation. Such things happen in riots. The fact that this is an everyday affair in France means France has reached an alarming stage.
  17. Nov 2, 2005 #16
    Are you seriously thinking that France has Riot problems that have been happening for Years and Years? The reason I stated those two situations is becuase that is what is happening in France right now.. Geez and you think I am a sensationalist!
  18. Nov 2, 2005 #17
    Hey, no denying that France has a problem. And in Germany Neo Nazis regularly come in the news with arson and worse. But what does this prove? Anybody who has a comparative study of riots and/or violence in general between different countries?

    But look at this:

    France and Spain are the world's biggest tourist destinations, dwarfing the US if compared in size or population. That's probably because it is SOOO bad and SOOO dangerous to go there.

    I think this whole France thing is just jealousy.
  19. Nov 2, 2005 #18
    Jealous of France? You gotta be kidding me!

    I have not suggested that it is bad and dangerous to live in France. What I am suggesting is that French suburbs are facing a severe problem with riot type violence.

    Ever heard of 40 cars being burnt every night in America, Britain, Germany?
  20. Nov 2, 2005 #19
    Can you read French? Perhaps you should try to read at the source if this is of so much concern to you. Where do you read 40 cars per night in this day per day report?


    Again, there IS a problem. Keep it in perspective.
  21. Nov 2, 2005 #20
    Quite alarming actually. The current rate in the U.S is more like 8 per 100000.


    But the principle you cite is correct. For instance, your chances of being crushed in a stampede of cattle probably increase outside of cities, but that is not a valid reason to avoid the countryside.
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