Main Question or Discussion Point
What is more important to the development of science and technology and the furtherment of human knowledge: Physics or Imagination?
Where do you get the implied perfect "physics" system, and what do you mean by 'progress of science'? Would this definition of progress include that progress measured by the events of August 6 and August 8, 1945 on the planet earth?mathman said:It would be impossible without both. Physics is the basis for all other science, while imagination is needed for science to progress.
You took the words right out of my mouth.russ_watters said:Like others said, you need both, but physics (science) is more important because without it, you won't ever actually know anything.
And then going on about how imagination is more important in science. If you're a genius like Einstein then fair enough, but unfortunately the rest of us mortals have to slog it out with math.I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world.
I agree Antonio. The philosphical basis of discussion holds the logic for formalism. It takes a "keen eye" to spot the anomalies, and from that, a whole avenue of exploration. Even if it follows strict mathematical structures, can still require the injection from creative individuals. There are many more for every progression that is made in science. So let us not just honor Einstein and the quote offered:)Antonio Lao said:Imagination is the same as thinking. It is the basis of reasoning to arrive at an inference. Human beings, with their advanced evolution for survival, are the only ones capable of applying this thought process.
The laws of physics are all there in the external world. But it will take the beginning of imagination to start the steps of their discovery. The discovery of fire and other tools and their imagined uses were responsible for the emergence of complex human society.
Mathman:It would be impossible without both. Physics is the basis for all other science, while imagination is needed for science to progress.
The bifurcation of imagination and science is an ambiguous proposition to consider, ambiguous and dangerous. Imagination can be used harmfully to imaginatively quash scientifically proved propositions. Imagination can effectively ignore mathematical imperatives, demonstrated "standard model" guidelines, widely accepted beliefs defining the pevailing level of scientific understanding. Imagination can be, at times, 'bad smoke'.Mistic said:All I wanted to know was which one each of you though was needed more. I never said that you didn't need both, without either one you could not advance. Well I suppose you could advance without imagination, but how far do you really think you would get without new ideas.
You state my, and many of the others who posted here very clearly.geistkiesel said:Imagination can leap to levels of view uncontemplated by a scientifically trained and limited mind. In a word imagination can be exploited by cheats, heretics, scientific blasphemers, those unfamiliar withe very concept of the 2^1/2.
Imagination is a method of mental dynamics that, if not strongly suppressed, should be paid for, salaried actually, with a reasonable facsimile of a working wage.
trained yes, but limited is still limited, thus, without the chaotic factor that is imagination, science can NOT advance.geistkiesel said:Imagination can leap to levels of view uncontemplated by a scientifically trained and limited mind.
I agree completely, you do have to balance imagination with actuall knowledge of physics. But without imagination, science still will not go very far. It was imagination and the need to know more that created science in the first place.arildno said:Intelligent use of imagination is the crucial precondition for the progress of science, dumb use (for example, the illogical thinking of an ignorant individual) is inimical to progress.