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What's the significance of non-uniqueness of solutions to Navier Stokes equations?

  1. Nov 3, 2011 #1
    I recently came across the NS millennium problem and I read that uniqueness for the NS equations is unknown. I have two questions.

    First question, if solutions are found to be non-unique, would the NS equations have to be corrected?

    Second question, since uniqueness is unknown, if someone finds a blow-up solution would he or she have to prove that it's unique to answer the problem? (e.g. turbulent and smooth solution possible for exactly the same IC, BC, etc..? kinda strange.)

    I'm curious what uniqueness means in relation to smoothness and turbulence. I'm not an expert in math so sorry if the answers are obvious. haha. Thanks in advance.
     
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  3. Nov 3, 2011 #2

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    Re: What's the significance of non-uniqueness of solutions to Navier Stokes equations

    There are equations that represent the dynamics of systems which are much simpler than NS, and are known to have non-unique solutions. A simple example is an oscillating mass on a spring, where the stiffness of the spring is nonlinear (Google for Duffing's equation). There are situations where the same applied force can produce different stable oscillations with completely different amplitudes. This is not just a theoretical curiosity. For example there was a lot of rather urgent work done in the aerospace industry in the 1990s, when it was discovered (by chance) that something similar to this could occur in existing designs of aircraft jet engines, with fairly obvious consequences for safety.

    Non unique solutions to NS would certainly be "interesting" (i.e. worrying!) for computer simulations. A good way to find steady-state solutions to the NS equations in "real life" situations (for example modelling supersonic aircraft performance) is to start from a solution with the "wrong" flow conditions, and compute how the flow would change over time until it reaches a steady state. But if there several possible steady states, that approach would only find one of them, and there might not be a good way to "guess" what different starting conditions would find the others - especially if you don't even know how many different solutions you are looknig for.

    ... Yup, you and a whole lot of other people - which is why answering the question is worth a Millenium Prize!
     
  4. Nov 4, 2011 #3
    Re: What's the significance of non-uniqueness of solutions to Navier Stokes equations

    That would be very strange indeed. So if non uniqueness is proven it would give rise to a new strange and interesting field.

    Btw, I tried googling Duffing's equation, but I couldn't find something that talked about non-uniqueness. I've never heard of non-uniqueness in a spring mass system. Can you please point me to a link that talks about it? Just in a general/basic sense, if possible,...I'm too lazy to think very hard. haha. Thanks.
     
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