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What's wrong in Israel

  1. May 5, 2003 #1
    [SOLVED] What's wrong in Israel...

    The role of the far right in Israel came up in an earlier thread, and I just saw this related bit in the news -- I think it's fairly illustrative.

    The Israeli Tourism Minister, Benny Elon, is in Washington this week opposing the roadmap. His preferred plan is for Israel to annex the West Bank and Gaza Strip and "transfer" the Palestinians to Jordan. "Transfer" is the far right's preferred euphemism for ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians via forcible expulsion, otherwise known as "genocide."

    Now, this is not Sharon's position; it is rather a deliberate attempt to undermine it. And no one in the upper echelons of the Bush administration is giving Elon the time of day. But the point is, despite the admirable fact that the Israeli government is not letting these wackos dictate major policy, there are a significant number of them in Israel, with a bunch of Knesset seats and even Cabinet-level positions. While they don't get their say on serious issues, they do wield disproportionate influence on less visible ones, like settlement funding for example, which can have a significant effect over the long run.

    I'm not sure what my point is exactly, I suppose I just think these are important things for those who are quick to blame one "side" or the other for a complex conflict to think about.

    This is a really good background article, below.
    http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/p...2&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

    http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/p...2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=42869
     
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  3. May 5, 2003 #2
    Let's not forget, either, the growing number of Israelis who are pro-Palestine. It IS a complex issue.
     
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  5. May 5, 2003 #4

    drag

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    Hate is rarely one sided. What you discribe
    is simply the price of democracy.

    Live long and prosper.
     
  6. May 5, 2003 #5
    If the Palestinians were prepared to accept a scrap of desert in Jordan, Saudi Arabia or Egypt, it would make everybody's life easier (except their own). Remember, the zionists were offered a bit of Uganda back in the day before they returned to Palestine. If they had accepted the Uganda deal, history would be very different.

    Zionists to Uganda
     
  7. May 5, 2003 #6
    So, basically, if Palestinians were willing to settle for having next to nothing, and Israel had to sacrifice nothing, there would be peace tomorrow? I can't imagine why they haven't jumped on teh deal!!
     
  8. May 5, 2003 #7
    It's a standard zionist argument, ie let the Arabs give the Palestinians a scrap of land they can call their homeland. Trouble is, the real Palestinian homeland and the jewish one are the same place. Israel must compromise or we'll get nowhere.
     
  9. May 5, 2003 #8
    When both groups have a history in the area that dates back thousands of years, the idea of who was there first seems a bit silly, don't you think?
     
  10. May 5, 2003 #9
    Ah but, we are forgetting the zionist trump card: they are god's chosen people in god's chosen location and, in the zionists' own words, the Palestinians are vermin and worthless scum. If you have the big bearded guy in the sky on your side, you can do anything you want.
     
  11. May 5, 2003 #10
    SHHHHH!!! We're not supposed to talk about how the existance of Israel is supported by the presumed religious and racial superiority of Jewish people!!
     
  12. May 5, 2003 #11

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  13. May 5, 2003 #12
    Re: Re: What's wrong in Israel...

     
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  15. May 6, 2003 #14

    drag

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    Greetings !
    There is nothing to think about. The
    Palestinians are the side to blame for
    the conflict and that is it. If the
    Palestinians stopped fighting there would
    be no conflict and they'd have a good
    country many years old by now. All that
    knocking your forhead on the floor stuff
    simply ain't helping. :wink:
    Yep. In my attempt, for very clear reasons,
    to prevent you from being mentor of the
    politics forum I reread the PF guidelines
    again. The PF guidelines basicly say that
    a member can talk whatever BS and crap he
    wants as long as he's not directing it
    at a particular other member. So, statements
    like: "Let's just kill all those damn Muslims !"
    are perfectly O.K. here.
    So, why indeed should I try and be so
    civilized while others are not ?

    Live long and prosper.
     
  16. May 6, 2003 #15
    Re: Re: What's wrong in Israel...

    If the Palestinians stopped fighting, the Israelis would treatthem EXACTLY the way Jews have been treated down through history: kill them, kick them off their land, etc.


    You should try reading my posts without your bias-glasses. One of the common suports for the existance of Israel comes from religious texts...and also from the 'chosen people' idea contained in those texts. This is a fact, or do you disagree?
     
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  17. May 6, 2003 #16
    I'm assuming the floor comment was just a tasteless but honest attempt at humor and letting it go. :|

    Maybe there'd be a peace then, yeah. Or maybe, depending on the details, political expediency would let Elon and friends run the show:
    Wouldn't you just love to live in this guy's world?
     
  18. May 7, 2003 #17

    drag

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    Re: Re: Re: What's wrong in Israel...

    Greetings !
    Yes, that makes sense, currently palestinian
    terrorists are successfully preventing the
    most powerful military force in the middle
    east from doing that. Makes sense. :wink:
    Get a grip man !

    Live long and prosper.
     
  19. May 8, 2003 #18

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    What precisely is preventing the Israelis from doing that now? If they wanted to, they could accomplish all that in about a week.
     
  20. May 8, 2003 #19
    Re: Re: Re: Re: What's wrong in Israel...

    Sanity. The Israeli left. Massive international pressure. There are Israelis who want to do those things, but generally they are not humored.
     
  21. May 12, 2003 #20
    http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15868


    Nothing wrong with Israel...
     
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