Someone please tell me why if the photon has no charge or mass, it is modeled as having an E and B field component?... An Electric or Magnetic field is created by a moving charge, obviously if the photon has no charge this makes no sense. Look up the definitions of electric field and magnetic field, magnetism ect. Tell me where you see it fit to associate such directly with the photon cause I just dont see it if the photon has no charge or mass. Electrons on the other hand are clearly the correct particle to attribute ElectroMagnetism to. The photon as it is can only be indirectly associated with EM, such that perhaps its intricate spin and other such properties or internal structure are information varibles that when the photon is incident on an Electron that information is translated into a physical change in the Electron; so in the context of many photons incident on many Electrons is a change in the Electric or Magnetic field... I mean its Electrons themselves that are ElectroMagnetism, you just cant have it both ways, as Ive said before, Electrons are the only particle with a charge or mass that can directly affect other particles with a charge or mass. Ok so explain to me why the photon has no mass or charge. Interaction of any kind whatsoever logically requires at minimum a charge or mass... In other words explain to me otherwise how something with no mass or charge excerts physical change in another object. Knowing that the above example I gave requires such also. Explain to me why the photon having energy GR says it can be affected by gravity... What the hell is "energy"? That word means nothing to me. Does anyone else believe in the statement "either something (a particle) has mass and exsists or it does not have mass and does not exist"? I associate "energy" with the later. No, energy can only be a property or measurement of quantity, a property of an object which has mass; so its not that gravity can effect it based on it having energy but based on the fact it has mass and exsists. How can something (a photon or gluon) exsist in absense of a physical componet (mass with geometry)? Do you really want me to accept the definition of the Electron as a "point like object" which has no concieveable geometry? I hope not...I really do. Instead tell me that our instruments cannot possibly resolve such, thats all you need to say, and that makes perfect sense to me. But dont ever try and tell me it has no geometry. Spin is one of those interesting topics in QM too because people try to avoid the idea of some particles having physical geometry which would logically be required for it to have intricate angular momentum (a rotating sphere). Enough for now, I dont even want to get into what are waves. Does anyone here believe in magic?