What's your opinion on SUVs?

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What's your opinion on Sport Utility Vehicles?

  • They should be banned (their a hazard to the environment and other motorists)

    Votes: 9 40.9%
  • Automakers just need to improve them (gas mileage, rollover susceptibility etc)

    Votes: 9 40.9%
  • They are cool just the way they are (tree-huggers need to shutup)

    Votes: 4 18.2%

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  • #51
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Originally posted by Zero
Part of the issue is that people don't know how to drive full-sized SUVs...maybe they should be required to get a special licence after taking a class?
Another valid point. It is true that driving an SUV is not like driving a regular car. perhaps a special test like they make a motorcyclist or a commercial driver take to get a license would be warranted.
 
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Originally posted by Zero
Part of the issue is that people don't know how to drive full-sized SUVs...maybe they should be required to get a special licence after taking a class?
The more I think about this idea the better I like it.

The test would allow those who could really use an SUV for their work (I work in construction as a consulting engineer and I never know where I may have to travel or the site conditions that I may encounter.), for play (offroading beach fishing, camping, etc), need of a bigger enclosed cargo area, or even if they just want one, to have one.

It would weed out those that can't handle one and dissuade some of those who would be better suited to something else, to make them consider another vehicle choice because of the inconvenience of having to take a special driving test.

This could work without unfair restrictions (I do not consider a demonstration of driving ability to be unfair), banning or taxation.

They could even require car manufacturers to provide the training classes.

I think this is a good idea, Zero.
 
  • #53
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Maybe we could all agree that many people are bad drivers and those bad drivers who buy SUVs get a false sense of empowerment (i.e., from being bigger than others on the road) which brings out the problems being discussed.

Now I wonder if, as Zero suggests, there's a trend for bad drivers to gravitate toward SUVs (either self imposed or via marketing).

Originally posted by Zero
The government has the ability to set safety, emissions, and gas milage restrictions. Why? Because those issues affect everyone, not only the drivers. Personal freedom only exists until it begins to adversely affect others. SUVs could be made safer and more fuel efficient, while maintaining most of their percieved benefits.
Agree!
 
  • #54
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Nah. The majority of people cannot drive.

They just use talking on a cell phone or some other excuse to cover up the fact that they're to ignorant to drive.

Drivers education teachs you how to pass a test. It doesn't teach you how to drive.

I mean, even if we outlawed SUV's completly, crash rates wouldn't drop much. They'd just go back to crashing there Mini vans and camaros.

Artman:

(I do not consider a demonstration of driving ability to be unfair)
This is what I mean. Something like a SCCA driving course would fit the bill.
 
  • #55
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I can comment on this. I work for one of the big 3, but not directly involved in the vehicles.

There are a lot of valid points on the lack of safety with SUV's vs other vehicles. I'm sure it was highlighted with the recent lawsuits brought against Ford about this. However the bottom line is that vehicle safety standards are driven by legislature. And the big 3 is a powerhouse, and most likely has lobbyists rallying the senate and various sectors of the government such as the EPA for less strict laws regarding SUVs. I believe there was an issue brought to ballot recently in california proposing an SUV tax.

The bottom line is that there is intense pressure from the big 3 on the government, and as someone said earlier, those with the power, such as the big 3, are the ones with the most influences.

PS As I said earlier, I'm not directly involved in vehicle production, so don't bother attacking me, as I do agree with some of you on the cons of SUV's. As for the premise that they are marketing to a group of people who are ill-tempered hot-heads, it's the first I've heard of it. Target demographic is probably young males 20-35, who are middle class. If there's a lot of road rage, it's purely coincidental, or a by-product of that target age group.

Oh and FYI, I don't own an SUV- I agree that it's pointless to buy an off-road vehicle that you'll never take through a park, let alone the wilderness.
 
  • #56
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Like I said, if your not hauling a family around, or perhaps even heavy equipment, then there is no reason in driving a full size SUV.
I do agree. If one wants to go off-road, a Mid-size SUV like a Jeep, Land Rover would suit perfectly.

However, Full-size SUVS have more power and like that guy in the Snikers commerial quoted, "35 airbags) :wink:

They have lots of gadgets too. Not to mention very comfortable with lots of leg room.

So what if they cut you off? Sure SUV drivers may be_aggressive, but you can't say other drivers aren't.

At least SUV drivers don't mod their cars up to the maximum HP and race down a road with innocent drivers in their way. This happens with sport cars.

SUV aren't mainly for work. That is up to Pick-up trucks. SUV are used to patrol mountains and mountain passes or other rough places.

I do not however agree with taking a full-size SUV and running it through a forest over trees and deer like that are crap.

Any of you seen that VW Toureg (something like that) commercial? It shows the driver plowing through a block of snow and driving his car through a snowy forest that was as peaceful as heaven.

Too bad the car kills that tranquillity.


I must admit, when I am able to drive I myself will probably try to convince my parents for a Jeep Liberty or Mitsubishi Eclipse. I just like SUV, they are very comfortable.
 
  • #57
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At least SUV drivers don't mod their cars up to the maximum HP and race down a road with innocent drivers in their way. This happens with sport cars.
I grew up drinking gasoline for breakfast (not really). I've been racing/driving something all my life. I know how to drive with the best of them.

I can say this because I was properly educated on how to drive, and had lots of practice. If I'm doing triple digits on a public road, there is nobody else around me. I've never, not once, had a so much as a close call at high speeds because I KNOW HOW TO DRIVE.

and the thing here is that, everyone should know how to drive.


As far as your little references to plowing over trees and deers, that is pure stupdity. People who go offroading cannot afford the damage done for one, and also tend to enjoy the serenity that nature has to offer.

Is it an insult when its true? my apoligys in advance if so.
 
  • #58
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I have another question;
What is an SUV?
Is a Chevrolet Suburban an SUV?
I was thinking those vehicles were around back before I started hearing about SUV's, yet surely they are one of the larger vehicles out there.
 
  • #59
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The suburban, K-5 blazer, Ford Bronco, International Scout, and a few others were the predecessors to SUVs. They tried it once before, but it didn't catch on.

I think they called those particular vehicles Utility trucks or something of the sort.

I think SUV was coined in the late 80's, early 90's.
 
  • #60
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You mean they stopped building Suburbans?
Huh, I guess I'm outta touch on such things.
('we' pronounce them: Suber-bans, haha)
 
  • #61
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I can say this because I was properly educated on how to drive, and had lots of practice. If I'm doing triple digits on a public road, there is nobody else around me. I've never, not once, had a so much as a close call at high speeds because I KNOW HOW TO DRIVE.

and the thing here is that, everyone should know how to drive.
Dumbass. Alexander Zanardi knows how to drive, he can drive 100 times better than you and their are no innocent drivers where he is driving, everyone knows how to drive. Your logic is so flawed.

Zanardi was the best driver ever, and he was surronded by that. Yet, he made a mistake and lost his legs.

Greg Moore was one of the best Canadian Indy Car drivers, who also drove better than you and was surronded by better drivers, yet he lost his life.

You are so stupid, that statement was stupid. You don't think before you post something do you?

That famous NASCAR driver knew how to drive, and he was killed.

All those prove your inane theory wrong. So, you do know how to drive, learn to use a sense of logic now, or is that too difficult?

As far as your little references to plowing over trees and deers, that is pure stupdity. People who go offroading cannot afford the damage done for one, and also tend to enjoy the serenity that nature has to offer.
Offroading is spelt wrong.

If they enjoyed the serenity, maybe they shouldn't take their V8 engine and diesel gas through the forest. You do realize that SUV give out a toxic that tortures flora, right? I guess you don't.

Most people who enjoy serenity, would hike.

Let me find a definition of serenity, since you seem to be too much of an idiot to find one yourself.

The state or quality of being serene.
1. Unaffected by disturbance; calm and unruffled. See Synonyms at calm.
2. Unclouded; fair: serene skies and a bright blue sea.
3. often Serene Used as a title and form of address for certain members of royalty: Her Serene Highness; His Serene Highness.

Lets take number 1, as the one that fits best.

Unaffected by disturbace. I think an animal would be disturbed when a large car comes rumbling through their habitat, wouldn't you? Would you like me to take my Jeep and run it through your house? Real serene.

Again you fail miserably to make a point, but to damage your own image in the end.
 
  • #62
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chevy suburban was the first SUV
and is still made, as is the GMC version

a goverment job required me to drive them for over 20 years
btw we weight the full loaded [overloaded?] truck on a scale and got 8700lbs GVW

they handel like pigs, donot stop for chit
but are good if someother fool hits you,
as we just rolldown the window and say you shouldn't have done that, do you need medical help??

tax them, require a heavy truck licence for the drivers, and inforce lowered speed limits on them, and high ins rates.

btw I drive a mid-eng sportscar and a old volvo turbo wagon for a stuff hauler
 
  • #63
Zero
Originally posted by kenikov
Dumbass. Alexander Zanardi knows how to drive, he can drive 100 times better than you and their are no innocent drivers where he is driving, everyone knows how to drive. Your logic is so flawed.

Zanardi was the best driver ever, and he was surronded by that. Yet, he made a mistake and lost his legs.

Greg Moore was one of the best Canadian Indy Car drivers, who also drove better than you and was surronded by better drivers, yet he lost his life.

You are so stupid, that statement was stupid. You don't think before you post something do you?

That famous NASCAR driver knew how to drive, and he was killed.

All those prove your inane theory wrong. So, you do know how to drive, learn to use a sense of logic now, or is that too difficult?



Offroading is spelt wrong.

If they enjoyed the serenity, maybe they shouldn't take their V8 engine and diesel gas through the forest. You do realize that SUV give out a toxic that tortures flora, right? I guess you don't.

Most people who enjoy serenity, would hike.

Let me find a definition of serenity, since you seem to be too much of an idiot to find one yourself.

The state or quality of being serene.
1. Unaffected by disturbance; calm and unruffled. See Synonyms at calm.
2. Unclouded; fair: serene skies and a bright blue sea.
3. often Serene Used as a title and form of address for certain members of royalty: Her Serene Highness; His Serene Highness.

Lets take number 1, as the one that fits best.

Unaffected by disturbace. I think an animal would be disturbed when a large car comes rumbling through their habitat, wouldn't you? Would you like me to take my Jeep and run it through your house? Real serene.

Again you fail miserably to make a point, but to damage your own image in the end.
Can you say 'cracker'?

Next post like this gets you deleted, bub.
 
  • #64
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Originally posted by kenikov
Dumbass. Alexander Zanardi knows how to drive, he can drive 100 times better than you and their are no innocent drivers where he is driving, everyone knows how to drive. Your logic is so flawed.
i think what he was saying was that he drove like that when no one was around... that's quite a bit different than competitive racing at high speeds. occasionally i've gone to triple digits as well on the way home from work around 1 am, on the highway on a straight stretch, with no other cars around.

i feel the biggest problem with transportation today is the lack of driving skill in drivers. the tests are way too easy, and often the worst drivers i knew did the best on the road test.

Offroading is spelt wrong.
"offroading"? since when?

If they enjoyed the serenity, maybe they shouldn't take their V8 engine and diesel gas through the forest. You do realize that SUV give out a toxic that tortures flora, right? I guess you don't.
again, i think he meant those types of people wouldn't want to disturb the serenity with their vehicles.

interpretation is a wonderful thing.
 
  • #65
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again, i think he meant those types of people wouldn't want to disturb the serenity with their vehicles.
It doesn't matter if they don't WANT to. An SUV will disturb nature when you go through it with one.

SUV have been proven to give off different fumes that cause much harm to plants. Driving through a forest full of them won't help.

If you want to be part of the serenity and not disturb it, then hike.

Can you say 'cracker'?
Yes. Cracking isn't that hard to do either.

i think what he was saying was that he drove like that when no one was around... that's quite a bit different than competitive racing at high speeds. occasionally i've gone to triple digits as well on the way home from work around 1 am, on the highway on a straight stretch, with no other cars around.
He was implying that if one was a good driver, no accidents could happen when I gave examples of the best drivers in the world who ended up in fatal or dangerious accidents.

He said that he never got into anything close to an accident because HE KNOWS HOW TO DRIVE, in his own words. Well, the drivers I listed knew how to drive, much better than him. They all got into accidents. They were surronded by people who also knew how to drive, so his assumptions was moronic.

Simple. Your interpretation isn't helping his comments, they were quite clear in what they meant.
 
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  • #66
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Well, Zero and the other mods, lemme apoligize in advance.

Now, wheres my baby powder?

He said that he never got into anything close to an accident because HE KNOWS HOW TO DRIVE, in his own words. Well, the drivers I listed knew how to drive, much better than him. They all got into accidents. They were surronded by people who also knew how to drive, so his assumptions was moronic.

Obviously, they can't drive better then me.

Or, you can take into acount they were doing damn near 200 mph, which your vehicle is barely on the damn ground. You could hit a friggin peanut at that speed and have a horrible wreck.

NASCAR, is not a skilled sport. The cars are setup to make left hand turns. They race on like 3 road courses a year. They might hit 100 mph. I'd out run a nascar in my Kia on a curvy road.

My driving skill is not in question here. There is no way I can prove it to you on this forum. It is besides the point. The point is, is that if more people were educated to the level that I, or any person who knows how to race, there would be less wrecks. Nowhere did I say there would be no wrecks.

Simple. Your interpretation isn't helping his comments, they were quite clear in what they meant.
And your interpretation is obviously one of a crackhead. Please seek help.

Dumbass. Alexander Zanardi knows how to drive, he can drive 100 times better than you and their are no innocent drivers where he is driving, everyone knows how to drive. Your logic is so flawed.
I will not argue his greatness. What I'm wondering is how you got all this information on me? How do you know I'm not the best driver on earth? What makes you so certain?

Offroading is spelt wrong.
Well, to be more correct, offroading is not actually a word to be spelled wrong to begin with. It should probably be off-roading, or even spelled as two words, say, off roading.

However, if you wish to argue this point, go talk to these guys:

www.offroading.net
www.rcjon.com/offroading/[/URL]
[url]www.derds.com/offroading.html[/url]
[PLAIN]www.hotornot.com/m/?keyword=offroading[/URL]

To the rest of your comments, it begs the question "Is it possible for any other man to spew a greater amount of pure and utter rubbish then you?"

You get off on criticizing my driving ability, which is as unprovable here as the existance of a god, and my spelling of a word that doesn't officially exist.

I'm not gonna waste my time looking for mistakes in your posts, because the ignorance, nay, pure stupidity you present is enough.

I was simply trying to suggest that improved education in driving would result in less collisions. You can continue being an ass, or we can try to have a discussion. Personally, I enjoy picking on the intentionally stupid.
 
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I will not argue his greatness. What I'm wondering is how you got all this information on me? How do you know I'm not the best driver on earth? What makes you so certain?
You implied that you were a great driver, and because of that you never get into accidents. Well, I listed BETTER drivers than you who got into accidents which proves you and your theory to be idiotic.

URIs are many times spelt wrong. Notice that Physicsforums is one word in the URL yet on the logo it is 2? Dumbass.

If you want to spell-check using your browser's address bar go right ahead, it just shows more of your great common sense.

Oh wait, I forgot, you never make mistakes because you are a great driver. Too bad you're still an idiot.
 

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