Neocons believe they can clean up every “hot spot” in the world—some argue one at a time. That is not so much my issue as when, why and how. Is U.S. intervention that of shaping the world? I don’t see this as one in the same, or necessarily the goal to pursue (rather presumptuous, actually). And assuming we can come to some consensus on a definition of what is ‘right’ – according to our own values, such as abiding by laws, treaties, human rights guidelines, respect for sovereignty, etc., we should then be consistent. First, arguments of “how bad is bad” can only be determined by evaluating all of the world and history—not just one instance. Second, the invasion of Iraq was done in a way that is not in accordance with our values. Yes, we have responsibilities, but it matters when, why and how we “step up to the plate” and we should have a clear, sensible policy to follow when we do it.Zlex said:You have a point, how can we shape the world into what's 'right'. It is absolutely true that we can't clean up every ****fight in the world, but, and this is just my opinion, the more often we try, the less often we'll have to angst over whether to try or not. In a world where those who can are seen as never doing, the worst among us act with impunity.
True, the U.S. had already meddled and mucked enough to cause disdain in the world, but the world was with us after 9-11, and the world would still be with us if we had remained focused on terrorism. Americans can bad mouth our allies all they want, but a unilateral approach to the “hot spots” of the world is a path to failure. I advise them to use diplomacy in gaining financial and military assistance in addressing world problems.Zlex said:It is a much different world with even a hated self-righteous bully who might try then one with a merely despised/scorned and still hated with contempt coward who won't. Unless, of course, you believe that the US was universally loved 3 years ago, pre 9/11, pre-Afghanistan, pre Iraq, pre whatever Bush decides is next, and the world was at peace. IMO, we weren't, we aren't and in part, it was our inactivity and cowardliness in the face of direct and obvious confrontation which fed the contempt of those that today hate us, and the complicity of those that also hate us.
FYI, we believe in balance of power in the U.S., and the Executive Branch is not empowered to do as it pleases. The Legislative Branch is pulling in the reigns at this moment to prevent further abuses.Zlex said:It's his [Bush’s] decision for as long as we use our freedoms to give him that office. He is the only one with full access to the necessary resources, and it is his decision to make, based on those resources
And of course it would probably be appropriate to post a list of Republicans who supported the resolution too.edward said:This only proves that the Bush administration's WMD disinformation propaganda worked. THERE WERE NO WMD.
No harm in testing to see if it is a pig first.mathwonk said:i think the wise motto: "never try to teach a pig to sing", should suffice to advise everyone to stay out of this discussion.