When the Mona Lisa was stolen from the louvre museum in paris in 1911

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When the Mona Lisa was stolen from the louvre museum in paris in 1911, and
was not recovered for two years, more people turned up to stare at the empty
space than had ever come to see the painting.

In 1961 Henri Matisse's painting Le Bateau was hung upside down at new yorks
museum of modern art for 46 days before any one noticed.

A painter who has the feel for breasts and buttocks is saved (renoir) :devil:

It takes 570 gallons of paint to cover the White house.
 
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In my opinion, the arts went downhill when artists started scoffing the idea that art should be pleasurable to the senses, and mistakenly started believing that, instead, the task of art was to convey the deepest philosophical "truths" about mankind.
 

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arildno said:
In my opinion, the arts went downhill when artists started scoffing the idea that art should be pleasurable to the senses, and mistakenly started believing that, instead, the task of art was to convey the deepest philosophical "truths" about mankind.
Quite true, i think Renoir had the right idea.
 
i even heard that vinci's monalisa was copied and there were 12 such paintings and noone knows where is the real one. the one in the musem could be a faulty one!!!
 
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i even heard that vinci's monalisa was copied and there were 12 such paintings and noone knows where is the real one. the one in the musem could be a faulty one!!!
:surprised Yeah! And the pentagon's actually invisible and on an island in the carribean. The one in washington is fake!! Infact, there are 12 invisible ones in the carribean and no one knows which one it is either! :eek:
 
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Michelangelo's family had pretentions to nobility, and it was for this reason that his father beat the boy when he anounced he wanted to become an artist. At the time artists were considered tradesmen like cobblers, or coopers. This was so ungentlemanly a thing for one of his sons to aspire to when he himself was trying to upgrade the family image that Ludovico Buonarroti felt it was just good parenting to try and beat the idea out of his son, Michelangelo.
 
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My favorite artist is Jan Van Eyck, his paintings are amazing.
 
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arildno said:
In my opinion, the arts went downhill when artists started scoffing the idea that art should be pleasurable to the senses, and mistakenly started believing that, instead, the task of art was to convey the deepest philosophical "truths" about mankind.

In my opinion, art went downhill when artists came to the conclusion that art needs to be pleasurable to the senses.
 
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My favorite artist is Jan Van Eyck, his paintings are amazing.
Ah, the Flemish masters. Brueghel the Elder happens to be my favorite.
 

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What do people see in modern art? if a painting can be hung upside down
and no one notices, how can it have meaning?
 
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wolram said:
What do people see in modern art? if a painting can be hung upside down
and no one notices, how can it have meaning?
Quite a bit. Modern art is wonderful. I fully recommend studying it.

Just because it's not a pretty oil painting of a basketful of puppies with an obvious top and a bottom doesn't mean it can't have a meaning.
 

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TRCSF said:
In my opinion, art went downhill when artists came to the conclusion that art needs to be pleasurable to the senses.
Well, that's where you are wrong.
 
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arildno said:
Well, that's where you are wrong.
No, your opinion is wrong.

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TRCSF said:
No, your opinion is wrong.

:tongue:
It merely shows how little you know about real art.
You think, I guess, like the idiot highbrows that requirements of appeal to the senses is constraining for artistic expression?
It is not.
It is liberating.
 
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arildno said:
It merely shows how little you know about real art.
You think, I guess, like the idiot highbrows that requirements of appeal to the senses is constraining for artistic expression?
It is not.
It is liberating.
Requirements for artistic expression are by definition constraints on artistic expression. :confused:

Other than being a regular customer of Thomas Kinkade art boutiques, what do you know about real art?
 
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mattmns said:
My favorite artist is Jan Van Eyck, his paintings are amazing.
I have a book of Flemish Painters wth two of his paintings, reproduced at fairly large scale fo a book.

The one of the wedding couple is like some early surreal work: the strange, pale, spindly groom wears an enormous mad hatter looking hat, and the couple is visible from the rear in a hemispherical mirror hanging on the wall behind them, suggestive of the later works of M.C. Escher. The rigidity of their formal pose, which partly predicts the flavor of American Gothic is, apparently, adopted by the little dog at their feet, who seems to be holding himself still to have his portrait painted, while actually wanting to run around and bark. The detail everywhere is meticulous.
 

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TRCSF said:
Requirements for artistic expression are by definition constraints on artistic expression. :confused:
Yes, in the same manner as disciplining your mind to think through issues logically is "constraining" for scientific research.
 
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arildno said:
Yes, in the same manner as disciplining your mind is "constraining" for scientific research.
Art is intrinsically different than scientific research.
 

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TRCSF said:
Quite a bit. Modern art is wonderful. I fully recommend studying it.

Just because it's not a pretty oil painting of a basketful of puppies with an obvious top and a bottom doesn't mean it can't have a meaning.
Or even some non human did it, a chimp elephant whatever, or even a pile of bricks, utter tosh, modern art is not.
 

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TRCSF said:
Art is intrinsically different than scientific research.
"Intrinsical". That's a fancy word.
 
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wolram said:
Or even some non human did it, a chimp elephant whatever, or even a pile of bricks, utter tosh, modern art is not.
But chimps can't produce modern art. Or elephants. Or toddlers. Any more than they can paint like flemish masters.
 

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Other than being a regular customer of Thomas Kinkade art boutiques, what do you know about real art?
Art can be beautiful without being unsophisticated. Take Dido and Aeneas:

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TRCSF said:
But chimps can't produce modern art. Or elephants. Or toddlers. Any more than they can paint like flemish masters.
From what I know, there are modern "artists" who smear fecal matter onto a white board, and pronounces this to be "art".
A chimp could do likewise; at least the smearing bit.
 
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Art can be beautiful without being unsophisticated. Take Dido and Aeneas:

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And art can be art without being beautiful.

http://college-de-vevey.vd.ch/auteur/Picasso/guernica-init.jpg [Broken]
 
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Look at this brilliant, haunting self-portait Robert Mapplethorpe made:
http://www.guggenheimcollection.org/site/artist_work_md_97A_3.html [Broken]
That's art.
 
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