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Where did Cain get his wife ?

  1. Sep 11, 2003 #1
    Why he is afraid to meet people who may kill him? There were only Adam+Eve+Abel(died)+Cain, why he worried to meet people? Where came the people ?
    And, Cain married who?
     
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  3. Sep 11, 2003 #2
    you guess what mark did God put on him ?

    Can you see that Cain was not punished for the murder he did, didn't he is supposed to die for his crime?
     
  4. Sep 12, 2003 #3
    Cain married his sister:

    "After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters." - Genesis 5:4
     
  5. Sep 12, 2003 #4
    nice of him to do that...

    Really off topic since you answered the question.
    I'm married and I don't have a sister but theoretically speaking could I do that in a church. Would the reverend approve? What if I would marry my brother?
     
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  6. Sep 12, 2003 #5
    the major question is, just after the murder, there were only 3 persons in the world, why he worried meeting people who may kill him ?
     
  7. Sep 12, 2003 #6
    Of course you can't marry your brother or sister (whatever sex you might be). Different rules applied to Cain.

    Cain knew that his parents would have other children and the world would become populated.
     
  8. Sep 12, 2003 #7
    Let me go ahead and rephrase...the Bible is a lie, ok? If you try to make a lie match reality, it won't work.
     
  9. Sep 12, 2003 #8
    I assume you can prove this?
     
  10. Sep 12, 2003 #9

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    I assume you can prove this?
     
  11. Sep 12, 2003 #10
    As a matter of fact I can prove it. It's an established medical fact that the offspring of a marriage between siblings has a much higher risk of genetic deformity. So man's own laws (quite apart from God's law) prohibits this. As for Cain knowing that his parents would have more children are you trying to tell me that you are not aware that more people will be born in the future from the existing population on earth? I know it, you know it, and Cain knew it.
     
  12. Sep 12, 2003 #11

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    However, nowhere in Genesis 4 does it mention that Adam and Eve had other children besides Cain and Abel. Only after Seth is born does it mention other sons and daughters - and chronologically speaking, Cain had already lay with his wife before Seth was born. Also, he'd been banished to the land of Nod when he 'married'. How did an(unmentioned) sister get there? Did she go with him? It doesn't say so. Was she also banished to Nod as well, or was she already there!? How did she get there? This is another one of those many inconsistancies that fundamentalists and literalists say do not exist in the Bible.
     
  13. Sep 13, 2003 #12
    Tsunami, the Bible is not written in chronological order. Just because it mentions that Adam and Eve had sons and daughters after it talks about Cain lying with his wife does not mean that Adam's daughters were born after Cain had a wife. There is no presumption of chronological order in the Bible. The statement in Genesis 5:4 that Adam had sons and daughters implies nothing about when they were born, it may have happened before something mentioned earlier in the Bible.

    Looking at it from a different angle if Cain's wife was not one of Adam and Eve's daughters then who was she? There is only one logical explanation and that is that Cain's wife was his sister.
     
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  14. Sep 13, 2003 #13

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    Actually, Lasar Eyes, I fully agree with all you have said here, but you must admit, for the average bible reader (one who does not undertake the study of the bible as a great portion of their lives), it is quite ambiguous. The chronology that the writer has used leaves many, MANY questions to be asked. Especially for those just starting out in their quest for 'the truth'. I've been reading many of your posts as well as those from kat, AG, DW and others - you guys really know your stuff!! Not all of us know the bible as you do, so there are many grey areas for us. This used to be one of mine and I was just playing 'devils advocate':wink:for Saint to get someone to give an answer that was more concise and reasonable, and I'm not good enough at that yet to be of any help. (Do you feel 'used' now? I tried to be gentle...!:wink:) The atheists among us only help to confuse the issues for someone really trying to understand what is being said in the bible. I have many literalist friends who claim that there are NO inconsistancies in the bible, but I do not find this to be true for me.
     
  15. Sep 13, 2003 #14
    Yes the Bible can sometimes be difficult to understand. When Philip heard an Ethiopian eunuch reading from the book of Isaiah on the road to Gaza he ran alongside the man's chariot and asked him: "Do you understand what you are reading?" The man responded: "How can I, unless someone guides me?" (Acts 8:26-39) God intended that at least some things in the Bible would not be easily understood. There may be more than one reason for this. Perhaps some piece of Bible wisdom was reserved only for those who were prepared to search the Scriptures and undertake a deep study of them. Perhaps some prophecy was not meant to be revealed until a certain time. In Daniel 12:9 God says to Daniel: "Go your way Daniel for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end."

    If you have any questions Tsunami post them here. I will do my best to answer them. Go ahead and play devil's advocate, I don't mind. I do it all the time. I find it's a good way to test out ideas.

    There are many apparent inconsistencies in the Bible. But I have never found one that doesn't have a reasonable explanation.
     
  16. Sep 13, 2003 #15
    So, you meant the bible author prefered to write chronologically disordered?
    God prefers chronological disordered?

    I can only see this as Mental Disorder of bible authors.
     
  17. Sep 13, 2003 #16
    Or, more realistically, because it was written by multiple writers over multiple generations, all of which added elements as they went along to pump up the story.
     
  18. Sep 14, 2003 #17
    many apologetics stress the importance of being biblical in interpreting bible;
    the common defence about Cain's wife is Adam had had daughters born before the birth of Seth, so Cain could get his wife.

    This is just an assumption, and non-biblical, because it is not written vividly in bible.

    One more thing, who could know Cain had killed Abel unless his parents told it? Did Cain refer to his parents who might revenge for Abel?

    Anyhow, the whole story does not make sense in many ways.
    Probability of fallacy is high!
     
  19. Sep 15, 2003 #18
    So genetics didn't work very well then. Let's see for a minute.... First Adam with his set of genes (lets call that G0). Then comes Eve with the same set of genes (since she was made from the rib). Now they had sons and daughters. If I understand correctly the genes of the offsprings are a combination of their parent's genes. In this case the parent's genes comes entirely from the G0 set (both Adam and Eve had it).
    Could you explain the different skin colors, hair colors, eye colors, blood groups of the actual human population, as coming from one set of genes????
     
  20. Sep 15, 2003 #19
    Mutations? And what about a man's sperm? Is the information encoded in each sperm exactly the same as in the next sperm? Or else how do you account for the differences in siblings between the same parents?
     
  21. Sep 15, 2003 #20
    Maybe you noticed that I said: "the genes of the offsprings are a combination of their parent's genes", I didn't say "the same combination"! It goes like this: one offspring - one combination, another offspring - another combination...... but of the same genes.

    ok, I'll go for that.... Why don't we observe similar mutations today? Never heard of a white pair giving birth to a black child. Do you know such a case?????
     
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