Gravity: Conservative or Non-Conservative?

In summary, when considering the force of gravity, we generally assume it to be conservative. However, if the source of gravity is moving through space, then the force would only be conservative relative to the source. This can also be seen in the example of someone in a balloon ascending with constant speed relative to Earth, where the gravitational field at a fixed point will change over time. Therefore, we can say that gravity is non-conservative relative to this observer. When we say a force field is conservative, we are implying that the potential is independent of time. If there is any time dependency, the force is not considered conservative. It is important not to think in terms of the "source" of a force, as the definition of a force
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We generally take the force of gravity to be conservative, but what if the source of gravity is moving through space? Then the force would only be conservative relative to the source, correct?

As another example, consider someone in a balloon ascending with constant speed relative to earth. This person takes the balloon as his reference frame. For him a fixed point in space would be one that is fixed relative to him. If he chooses one such point, he will notice that the gravitational field at this "fixed" point is subject to change with time. Could we say gravity is non-conservative relative to this observer?

Lastly, when we say a force field is conservative, are we saying that it is conservative "relative to the source"?
 
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Amin2014 said:
We generally take the force of gravity to be conservative, but what if the source of gravity is moving through space? Then the force would only be conservative relative to the source, correct?

As another example, consider someone in a balloon ascending with constant speed relative to earth. This person takes the balloon as his reference frame. For him a fixed point in space would be one that is fixed relative to him. If he chooses one such point, he will notice that the gravitational field at this "fixed" point is subject to change with time. Could we say gravity is non-conservative relative to this observer?
For a force to be conservative, the potential has to be independent of time - and in both these cases the potential is not. You're better off thinking of terms of time dependency of the potential; if there is any, than the force is not conservative.

Lastly, when we say a force field is conservative, are we saying that it is conservative "relative to the source"?
Try not to think in terms of the "source" of a force. ##F=ma## defines a force in terms of its effect on the mass upon which it is acting; there's no source involved in the description.
 

What is the difference between conservative and non-conservative forces?

The main difference between conservative and non-conservative forces is that conservative forces conserve mechanical energy, while non-conservative forces do not. Conservative forces are path independent, meaning that the work done by the force along any path connecting two points is the same. Non-conservative forces, on the other hand, are path dependent and the work done by the force depends on the specific path taken.

Is gravity considered a conservative or non-conservative force?

Gravity is considered a conservative force because it conserves mechanical energy. This means that the work done by gravity is independent of the path taken by an object and only depends on the initial and final positions of the object.

How does potential energy relate to conservative forces?

Potential energy is directly related to conservative forces. In a conservative force field, the work done by the force can be converted into potential energy. This potential energy can then be converted back into kinetic energy as the object moves, resulting in a conservation of mechanical energy.

What are some examples of non-conservative forces?

Examples of non-conservative forces include friction, air resistance, and drag. These forces depend on the path taken by an object and can cause a decrease in mechanical energy as work is done against them.

How does the concept of conservative and non-conservative forces apply in real life?

The concept of conservative and non-conservative forces is important in many real-life situations. For example, in mechanical systems such as a swinging pendulum, the force of gravity is considered conservative, while friction is considered a non-conservative force. In physics and engineering, understanding and analyzing these forces is crucial in designing efficient and safe systems.

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