Which Acid Is Stronger, HA or HB?

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The discussion revolves around the comparison of the strengths of two acids, HA and HB, based on their pKa values, and the implications for an acid-base reaction involving the addition of Na+ A- to HB. Participants explore the concepts of acid strength, conjugate bases, and the conditions for equilibrium in acid-base reactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the lower pKa indicates a stronger acid, concluding that HB is the stronger acid compared to HA.
  • There is a discussion about the reaction HB + A- = B- + HA, with some participants suggesting that to determine if the reaction will occur, one must know which conjugate base (A- or B-) is stronger.
  • One participant states that since HB is a stronger acid, A- must be a stronger base, implying that stronger acids have weaker conjugate bases.
  • Another participant agrees that the reaction will occur, stating simply "so answer is yes."
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the reasoning, suggesting that knowing the strength of the conjugate base seems circular if one does not already know which acid is stronger.
  • Another participant explains that the pKa indicates the pH at which half of the acid is deprotonated, suggesting that a higher pKa corresponds to a weaker acid.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that HB is the stronger acid based on its lower pKa, but there is disagreement regarding the implications for the acid-base reaction and the reasoning behind the strength of conjugate bases. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of the reasoning involved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the reasoning about conjugate bases and acid strength may involve circular logic, and there are varying interpretations of how pKa values relate to acid strength and reaction dynamics.

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Homework Statement


Acid HA has a pKa=20; acid HB has a pKa=10
a. which is the stronger acid?
b. will an acid-base reaction with an equilibrium lying to the right take place if Na+ A- is added to HB? Explain your answer.


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The Attempt at a Solution


I know that the lower pKa is a stronger acid, which makes answer a is HB
I'm not really sure what b is asking. I want to say yes because HB is a strong acid, so adding Na+ A- (weak base) will cause an acid base reaction. I'm like clueless with b. Can someone help and tell me where to start ffor b? thank you in advance..
 
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What it really asks if it this reaction will happen:

HB + A- = B- + HA

and to find the answer you have to know which conjugate base - A- or B- is stronger.

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HB + A- = B- + HA

strong acid + A- = B- + weak acid

Since HB is a stronger acid, isn't A- a stronger base? stronger acid=weaker conj. base?
 
so answer is yes
 
Yes it is yes :wink:

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thank you so to explain my answer :
HB + Na+ A- = B- + HA

Since HB is a stronger acid, A- is a stronger base, stronger acid=weaker conj. base
 
I'm not sure how knowing how strong a conjugate base will be can help you here if you don't already know which is the stronger acid beforehand. That is circular reasoning IMO.

You should remember that the pKa is the pH at which half of the acid is deprotonated. The higher the pKa, the higher the pH must be to deprotonate it. Thus, the compound with the higher pKa must be the weaker acid since it requires a stronger base to deprotonate it.
 

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