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Which Kind Of Regim Will Be Best For Earth People?

  1. Oct 20, 2004 #1
    i think that the comunnism is the best what about you
    because we have all the same oportunity
    And they have good punishment for the bad guys
    the worst one is Nazism dont you think?
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  3. Oct 20, 2004 #2
    you must mean fascism...
    yeah... communism is a great idea... but unfortunately, it is absolutely impossible to achieve. i'd say social democrasy like in scandinavia perhaps; that's a mix between socialism and free market... no extreme is a viable choise imo...
    now notice, that i'm a socialist by heart, but i'm also a realist, and thus prefer social democrasy over socialism, because it is more "relaxed" and offer more freedoms and individuality, which i believe is important due to the selfish nature of human beings..
  4. Oct 20, 2004 #3
    I don't understand. I have lost count of how many times I have heard the statement, or words to the effect of, "Communism is a good idea in theory, but not in practice..." What theory is that? Certainly, no theory about "Earth People". :tongue:

    But seriously, the best form of government is Bill Clinton. Damn these two-term limits. :cry:

    No, but seriously, the best form of government would be the elimination of that 10% or 20% of people who get their kicks bossing, bullying, hurting and exploiting other people. If only we could find a 100% reliable way to detect it in newborns, it would be worth the rise in mortality rates. :biggrin:

    Wait, wait, ending this post on a completely serious note, the best form of government is nudism. :approve:
  5. Oct 20, 2004 #4
    you just answered your own question
  6. Oct 20, 2004 #5
    btw... with the typical "communism is best" logic, capitalism is actually the best:
    total freedom of choise.
    everybody helps one another out of free will.
    social problems are dealt with through voluntary funds...

    it's a wonderfull world... except that humans as a species are selfish and ignorant.

    maybe the best idea would be to create areas of different regimes across the world... then people could migrate to whatever regime they wanted... be it a religious based regime or idealism based :D
  7. Oct 20, 2004 #6
    I think the one from star trek where there is no money, hunger, disease or poverty is the best.. but hey, if communism can work....
  8. Oct 20, 2004 #7
    nudism sounds good, but, i would like free love communes.

    think-a-bout-it! small little groups all pulling together for a common good and gratuitous sex. no need for a central gov't, no need for money, etc etc

    ah, if ooonnly.............

    olde drunk
  9. Oct 20, 2004 #8

    where do I sign up for that?
  10. Oct 20, 2004 #9
    Communism has some great ideas, but it also has a few problems.

    First of all is that people are supose to guvern themselfs. This clearly doesn't work. Most people from my personal experienc (we just had electios here) can not even choose a good goverment let alone run one. So I belive that a perfect sistem would be technocratical communisem, where the most importent officals would heve to change every few years.

    Communisem also has the problem of being a revolutionery politic. In a lot of cases a revolution is realy necesary. But sometimes evolution is beather and you can't realy run a goverment in a revolutionery way (aldo youshould chang officals regularly).

    But the bigest problem is that communisem has to be started and ran by communistical people. And real communistiacl people are either totaly unselfisch (don't belive such exist :frown: :frown: ) or educated in the ways of communism by other communistical people. So there is realy almost no way to start a good communistical goverment. Except mybe if you could somehow convince people that communism is realy the best solution for the majority of the population.

    CSP (communism shall prevail)
  11. Oct 20, 2004 #10

    Star Trek assumes a future meritocracy or "rule by the good deed doers." This is, of course, the supposid goal of communists and captalists alike.
  12. Oct 20, 2004 #11

    Yeah Man! :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2: :tongue2:
  13. Oct 20, 2004 #12
    You can alreday do that. Communists can go to North Korea. Islamic fundamentalists to Sudan or Iran. Anarchists can go to Somalia. Strangely enought almost all people want to go to more capitalistic countries.

    If someone wants a real discussion with facts, not opinions, go here:
  14. Oct 20, 2004 #13
    There is nothing stopping you from doing most of that in a free country. You can create a community more a less separated from the rest of the world, like the Amish. Some money for taxes and import from the rest of the world can be gained from exports.

    Want no taxes and regulations? Go to Somalia.
  15. Oct 20, 2004 #14
    Ha! It is not that easy, small groups of people can form some independent community but on a large scale if some countries want to be independent for example Vietnam ,Nicaragua,Cuba , greedy hand of neocolonialists and capitalists either invades,bomb or put trade embargo on them.
  16. Oct 20, 2004 #15

    Actually I was referring to old drunke's idea- I like his much better :biggrin:

    Then what do you call a government ruled by a bunch of greedy liars catering to corporate interests? I call it my USA, but what's the technical "ocracy"?
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  17. Oct 20, 2004 #16
    If you have any science to support your claim and not supposed anecdotes, give it. As shown in my link previously, there is overwhelming evidence that capitalism is better for the poor.
    Vietnam, Nicaragua and Cuba have had the usual share of the genocides that seems obligatory in communist societies.

    Vietnam is on the way to becoming the usual economic miracle after embracing capitalism. Ask the people themselves, have lived through both communism and capitalsm: "Most people are better off in a free market economy, even though some people are rich and some are poor". 0% completely disagreed, 61% completely agreed. The highest numbers in the world in support for capitalism from people who have tried both systems.
    (Question 17a)
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2004
  18. Oct 20, 2004 #17
    You clearly don't know what anarchism is. Instead of Somalia I would suggest an appropriate Israeli kibbutz.
  19. Oct 20, 2004 #18
    I really don't care about what kind of ideology we are under.What I wanted to show you that on a small scale few people can form independent community but always one way or another conforming to the authority,if they don't they are in trouble, remember Waco.
    Capitalism (American way) can't work in the long run, that is why you see for example country like Grenada invaded by USA.
    Grenada tried to escape sphere of American influence and to decide on their own politicall and economic matters.
    Don't get fooled by all this demonization and fear mongering but Saddam Hussein tried to the same thing.
  20. Oct 20, 2004 #19
    I am well aware of the theory of both left and right anarchists. Kibbutz are a good example of the kind of organization that can be formed in a free society. As I said before, similar organizations that strives to achieve the ideals of olde drunk can also be formed in a free society. They can and have. And they are easily outcompeted by other kind of organizations that produce better produces and higher salaries. Otherwise these communities would be everywhere, having proven their superiority.

    But what anarchists want is to force their ideas on all people living in a certain area. Somehow they belive that the failure of their communities will then disappear. And for some reason not to degenerate into the violence and right of the strongest that exits in all real anarchies.
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  21. Oct 20, 2004 #20
    Again, you can point to something and call it a "real" anarchy, but that doesn't make it such. To learn about anarchism, you can start with the
    Anarchism FAQ. Now to me it sounds like an elaborate pipedream, but I'm not arrogant enough to tell them what anarchism "really" is. I know what it's not, though, and it's definitely not Somalia. That country never even attempted to implement any principles of anarchism. For one thing, the concept of hierarchy is still very strong in Somalia. At least when you're criticising communism, you can say that the Soviet Union tried to implement communism ... and obviously failed.
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