White Only Scholarship Sparks Outrage

In summary, the article discusses how some people believe that white only scholarships are a way to fight affirmative action. Republicans are said to be the racists behind this idea. The article also discusses how people from minority backgrounds should be able to get scholarships, no matter how wealthy their parents are.
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Here is the link to the article.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=14&u=/ap/20040320/ap_on_re_us/whites_only_scholarship_2 [Broken]

I've seen a lot of black only, or Native American only, and lots of other *insert minority* only scholarships, but when some one makes a white only scholarship people freak out. That seems to be racism to white people.
 
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That's because Republicans are racists.

Seriously, though, there is no such thing as "white heritage". The whole idea really IS racist.
 
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Originally posted by Zero
Seriously, though, there is no such thing as "white heritage". The whole idea really IS racist.
The whole idea is to fight affirmative action, to raise the issue and talk about it. They sure did a very good job, and no, it is nót racist. And Zero -I probably shouldn't go into this- there is no white heritage? That means there is no black heritage either.
 
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Originally posted by Monique
The whole idea is to fight affirmative action, to raise the issue and talk about it. They sure did a very good job, and no, it is nót racist. And Zero -I probably shouldn't go into this- there is no white heritage? That means there is no black heritage either.
No so, and of course they are racist. They don't want to fight AA, they want to fight equality.

There is an artificial black culture in America because Africans from other cultures were uprooted and their heratige destroyed.

What is "white" culture? There's no such thing.
 
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The same for all the whites who were uprooted and their heritage destroyed for moving to the US. If there is no American white culture, there is no American black culture either! (hence equality)

They want to fight equality, where in the article did you get that from?

Jason Mattera, a junior who started the conservative campus group in his freshman year, said kindling debate over free speech and affirmative action was just what he wanted — and he promises more.
Despite initial plans to make the scholarship annual, Mattera said it won't be offered next year.
 
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Oh, wow, a scholarship I could actually get money from.

cookiemonster
 
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Actually, before going to the US a few years ago I was looking for a scholarship or grant too because I absolutely didn't have any money and they're not going to pay for an exchange student over there.

Well, I was out of luck, because I don't belong to any of the minorities. And not having money is not considered being a minority, which I think is totally racist and short-sighted. Not having money should make you eligible for a grant, not being Jewish!

So in the end I didn't find any scholarship or grant I could apply to (the one I could, I missed the deadline). Luckily I was able to go anyway by the generosity of people at whose place I stayed.
 
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It gets worse.

Even if I apply for and somehow win a scholarship, I still don't get any money. They order the winners and start handing out money, based on need, from the top down until they run out. Since my parents make enough money to pay for college, as far as scholarships and the government is concerned, I'd just get passed right by. Naturally, it doesn't help that my parents spend just as much as they make...

Although I could get a full ride plus incentives if I wanted to go to Arizona State, but that would involve staying in Arizona.

cookiemonster
 
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Originally posted by cookiemonster
It gets worse.

Even if I apply for and somehow win a scholarship, I still don't get any money. They order the winners and start handing out money, based on need, from the top down until they run out. Since my parents make enough money to pay for college, as far as scholarships and the government is concerned, I'd just get passed right by. Naturally, it doesn't help that my parents spend just as much as they make...

Although I could get a full ride plus incentives if I wanted to go to Arizona State, but that would involve staying in Arizona.

cookiemonster
So, in other words, you CAN get a free college education, just not the exact college you want to get into? Shall I slap you for being an ungrateful little jerk NOW? Or shall I wait until later?
 
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Yes, so I think a whites-only scholarship is stupid, but that is what these students were thinking too! That is why they raise the issue: there are all these grants with special conditions, but it leaves certain groups out of the picture who then feel left out.

There are enough white people who come from minority families, just like black people do. Then why make the distinction? Because apparently they haven't catched up yet, which takes some time. That still means that the issue has to be raised from time to time.
 
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Correct, Zero.

Dunno what's "ungrateful" about it, though.

cookiemonster
 
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Originally posted by Monique
Yes, so I think a whites-only scholarship is stupid, but that is what these students were thinking too! That is why they raise the issue: there are all these grants with special conditions, but it leaves certain groups out of the picture who then feel left out.

There are enough white people who come from minority families, just like black people do. Then why make the distinction? Because apparently they haven't catched up yet, which takes some time. That still means that the issue has to be raised from time to time.
There are scholarships for everyone. There's a scholarship for being Irish, German, English, etc...why should there be an artificial "white" scholarship as well, except because these kids are closet racists? I know as a blonde haired white woman, Monique, you know that racism only exists against white people...we've been over this ground before, you and I.:frown:

The reality is that there are scholarships for athletes, smart kids, amputees, children of firefighters, children of people who work a certain place, for those who plan on being teacher, the list goes on...but these racist students choose to ignore all of those, and focus on how hard, how very HARD it is to be white...pathetic.
 
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How exactly does commenting on the number of scholarships for whites as compared to the number of scholarships for minorities equate to whites being racist?

cookiemonster
 
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Originally posted by cookiemonster
How exactly does commenting on the number of scholarships for whites as compared to the number of scholarships for minorities equate to whites being racist?

cookiemonster
Because they AREN'T comparing the number of scholarships handed out, they are complaining about black people getting scholarships. They aren't complaining about the plight of the non-athlete, the "c" student, the non-artistic, or anyone else who isn't eligible for certain scholarships.

I'm not having any more of these discussions, I'm sick of middle class white kids complaining because black kids get scholarships too.
 
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Oh, okay. You're talking about in general. Thought you were referring to specifics.

cookiemonster
 
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Originally posted by cookiemonster
Oh, okay. You're talking about in general. Thought you were referring to specifics.

cookiemonster
Did you read the article? Not only do I find them racist and out of line, but so does the Republican Party, which censured them, and suspended their right to use Republican symbols. This specific group is a hate group who spends time targeting minority groups for ridicule and scorn. They don't want a debate, they want to attack people who aren't like them.
 
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I skimmed it.

I don't much care about small political groups. They usually can't get enough done to concern me.

Besides, they're college students. They probably think they're supposed to act like jack-/smart-asses.

cookiemonster
 
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Originally posted by Zero

Seriously, though, there is no such thing as "white heritage".

Are you serious about there being no "white heritage"? Have you forgotten about the Greeks and Romans? Have you forgotten about everything that happened during the European Renaissance, and all the great philosophers/leaders/scientists who came out of it and changed the world? Have you forgotten about the rebirth of democracy that people of European descent led to?

Every "race", or group of people has a "heritage", unless they just magically appeared recently and have no ancestors/past.
 
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In that sense I wonder what the black heritage would be.. is slavery the only heritage that you can have?
 
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And again, questioning whether affirmative action still has a place in the world in this day and age, doesn't make you a racist. Another example of the over-sensitive american society.
 
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Originally posted by Monique
And again, questioning whether affirmative action still has a place in the world in this day and age, doesn't make you a racist. Another example of the over-sensitive american society.
There are ways to question it, and ways not to question it, if'n you see my point.
 
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Originally posted by wasteofo2
Are you serious about there being no "white heritage"? Have you forgotten about the Greeks and Romans? Have you forgotten about everything that happened during the European Renaissance, and all the great philosophers/leaders/scientists who came out of it and changed the world? Have you forgotten about the rebirth of democracy that people of European descent led to?

Every "race", or group of people has a "heritage", unless they just magically appeared recently and have no ancestors/past.
Well, you've pointed out "Greek heritage", "Roman heritage", and each European country has its own heritage. The reason that black Americans get their own special heritage is because, speaking very generally, their specific national heritages were wiped out by slavery. This is a group which "magically appeared", in a manner of speaking, and they have had to create something special for themselves.
 
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Originally posted by Monique
And again, questioning whether affirmative action still has a place in the world in this day and age, doesn't make you a racist. Another example of the over-sensitive american society.

Bravo Monique! Yes, american society can be very sensitive...personally, i don't think there should be ANY scholarships based on color, gender, race, or heritage...what happened to getting scholarships because you are particularly good at math, science or underwater basket weaving?? people do not "choose" the color of their skins, the ancestry the come from or the genitals they have (unless you are a transvestite-which i am not going there), but people can choose how to FIND and UTILIZE their talents, whether latent or obvious...

affirmative action has gone way too far from what i think it was originally intended to...equal rights for all, not special rights for some...
 
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Originally posted by Zero
The reason that black Americans get their own special heritage is because, speaking very generally, their specific national heritages were wiped out by slavery. This is a group which "magically appeared", in a manner of speaking, and they have had to create something special for themselves.

don't forget the native americans whose land was stolen, don't forget the japanese who lived in "camps" during WWII, don't forget the women who weren't allowed to vote until the early 20th century...this could go on and on...every heritage and culture has had its hardships, but how long are we going to dwell on the past instead of focusing on the obliteration of ignorance of our future generations?
 
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Originally posted by Kerrie
don't forget the native americans whose land was stolen, don't forget the japanese who lived in "camps" during WWII, don't forget the women who weren't allowed to vote until the early 20th century...this could go on and on...every heritage and culture has had its hardships, but how long are we going to dwell on the past instead of focusing on the obliteration of ignorance of our future generations?
Well, you tell me, Kerrie...when are we going to insist on a proper education and health care for ALL children, when are we going to insist on equality from birth? When are we going to stop dividing up school districts to promote segregation? When are we going to insist on equal hiring practices and enforce it 100%? When are we going to take the racists and beat them silly with billy clubs?

When we get that under our belts(ok, maybe not the billy club bit), then Affirmative Action will not be necessary.
 
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Originally posted by Zero
Well, you tell me, Kerrie...when are we going to insist on a proper education and health care for ALL children, when are we going to insist on equality from birth? When are we going to stop dividing up school districts to promote segregation? When are we going to insist on equal hiring practices and enforce it 100%? When are we going to take the racists and beat them silly with billy clubs?

When we get that under our belts(ok, maybe not the billy club bit), then Affirmative Action will not be necessary.

if we insist on some of these examples zero, then america would be socialist...what you are advocating here has to do with economics more then physical appearances and history of ancestry...as far as hiring practices go, would you want to work for an employer who based their decision on your color over your qualifications? even if your race got you the job over your qualifications?...when i apply for a job or take a survey that asks my gender and race, i do not answer--it's not necessary for them to know...i want to be hired for what i can do, not what i look like...

i think your particular sensitivity to the racial issue has a lot to do with where you personally reside...the southern USA is notorius for the prejudices...from my personal experiences, the rest of the usa is not so biased (at least the west isn't about that)...if you are sick of the racism and want ecomonic equality, Canada might be the place for you ...just there on a work trip recently, and the friendliness and diversity of cultures is very predominant...
 
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Originally posted by Zero
The reason that black Americans get their own special heritage is because, speaking very generally, their specific national heritages were wiped out by slavery. This is a group which "magically appeared", in a manner of speaking, and they have had to create something special for themselves.
Didn't every single group magically appear in the US and loose their heritage? How about all the Dutch immigrants? Should there be scholarships for Dutch immigrants especially, because they are a minority and are being overlooked? I REALLY think it is about time to stop talking about slavery. When did it get abolished? Several generations ago.
 
  • #28
Originally posted by Monique
Didn't every single group magically appear in the US and loose their heritage? How about all the Dutch immigrants? Should there be scholarships for Dutch immigrants especially, because they are a minority and are being overlooked? I REALLY think it is about time to stop talking about slavery. When did it get abolished? Several generations ago.
Aren't there Dutch scholarships? I know that there are Irish scholarships.
 
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That has to do with governments collaborating. What I am talking about is the naturalized Dutch people living in the US.
 
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I'm going to drag myself back on topic if it kills me...


I feel that this is racially motivated, because every single group in this country, including all "white" people from different specific European backrounds, have a scholarship program just for them. Not only that, but there are scholarships based on artistic or athletic ability, parental employment, geographical location, gender, sexual identity, physical disability, club membership, political affiliation, promises to work in certain fields, physical disabilities, and even David Letterman's scholarship for "C" students. If you look hard enough, there is probably a scholarship for premature baldness, left-handedness, and even for people with a specific name.

Not everyone is eligible for every scholarship, so I feel that focusing on one specific type of scholarship while ignoring all the other types is racism-based.
 
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Ok, there is a reasonable argument you are making (rather than shouting fire when you smell smoke).
 
  • #32
Originally posted by Monique
That has to do with governments collaborating. What I am talking about is the naturalized Dutch people living in the US.
Funny you should mention that...behold the power of GOOGLE!


The Netherland-America Foundation Inc. offers grants and education loans to Dutch students studying in America...how do you feel about that, is it wrong that I am not eligible for that because I am not Dutch?
 
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You quoted me, but did you actually read what I said?? "That has to do with governments collaborating" it is to establish political ties between the US and NL, where Dutch people are allowed to go to the US and US people are allowed to go to NL.

Also, those people are not naturalized US citizens, which I also mentioned as a criterium.
 
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Oh, you meant to say "naturalized American citizens of Dutch descent"...you're right, that's a whole different subject. Although, as I look at it...those don't seem to be government funded, they are sponsored by private organizations.
 
  • #35
Originally posted by Zero
(snip)
Not everyone is eligible for every scholarship,

Check.
so I feel that focusing on one specific type

Academic, athletic, children of the Moose Lodge? I'm not clear on what you mean about focus on "one type" here.
of scholarship while ignoring all the other types is racism-based.

This would be the kids in R.I. obsessing over the dearth (non-existent) of "white" scholarships?
 

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