This question is not about a moving clock, but about the frame of reference.

In summary, the conversation discussed the concept of time dilation in relation to traveling at high speeds, specifically in regards to a hypothetical voyage to Proxima Centauri. The idea that time moves slower for objects in motion was explored and explained through the concept of frames of reference. It was also mentioned that the speed of light is constant in all frames of reference and that it can only be measured through reflections. Finally, it was noted that the time on Earth would pass as normal while a shorter time would be measured on the spaceship, but this difference would only be noticeable upon return to Earth.
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I found out that Proxima Centauri is 4.2 light years away from earth. If someone was on a voyage to this star via space ship, would this person measure the time to be shorter than 4.2 years if their spaceship was traveling 99.99999 percent the speed of light, assuming that the 4.2 years is measured on earth? Wouldn't this make the voyage a lot less daunting for the traveler?
Doesn't a moving clock move slower?
 
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Yes, this is one of the prospects for possible interstellar travel.
 
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What if he shines a laser pointer out of the front windshield? Does he see it escaping him at the speed of light? I think yes. However the observer sees it just overtaking the ship barely. This seems too bizarre...
 
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Everyone always agrees, regardless of reference frame, that light is always going the same speed, the speed of light. It is from this single postulate (and one other smaller one) that all of Special Relativity is derived.
I would suggest this as a place to read up on special relativity and its implications: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_special_relativity
 
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What if he shines a laser pointer out of the front windshield? Does he see it escaping him at the speed of light? I think yes. However the observer sees it just overtaking the ship barely. This seems too bizarre...
Actually, you cannot see light escaping from you. Once it has left the laser pointer, it's gone and you'll never see it again or have any awareness of its progress, unless it hits something and illuminates it and reflects back to you. Then what you see is a result of the light making a round trip from your laser pointer, to an object, and back to you. So the only way you can measure the speed of light is to have it reflect off of something and measure how far away that something is (with a ruler) and measure how long the round trip took (with a clock or other timing device) and then you can calculate the "average" speed of light during the round trip. But you have no idea whether the light took the same time to get to the object as it did to get back to you.

The second postulate of Special Relativity defines those two times to be equal for any inertial measurement and this is the basis for a Frame of Reference. So when we say that the light propagates away from a high speed spacecraft at c, we mean that it is defined to be traveling at that speed according to the rest frame of the spacecraft and according to the same definition of a different rest frame for the earth, it is also traveling at c. It's not the least bit bizarre once you grasp what a Frame of Reference is.

Einstein's 1905 paper introducing relativity is a good place to learn about this.
 
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...would this person measure the time to be shorter than 4.2 years...

You mean "measure the [local] time aboard their own spaceship shorter than 4.2 years..." right? That's because they travel a shorter distance for the trip than was initially measured from earth...not because the person sees her own clock ticking differently.

Time on Earth passes as normal...but is not observed (measured) as such from the
fast moving spaceship. Only when Earth clocks are compared with spaceship clocks upon return would observers recognize different elapsed times.
 

1. What is a frame of reference?

A frame of reference is a system of coordinates that is used to describe the position, movement, and orientation of an object or event in space and time. It serves as a reference point for measuring and understanding motion and other physical phenomena.

2. How does the frame of reference affect our perception of motion?

The frame of reference determines how an object's motion is perceived. For example, an object may appear to be moving in a straight line in one frame of reference, but in another frame of reference, it may appear to be moving in a curved path. This is due to the relative motion between the observer and the object.

3. Can a frame of reference be fixed or does it constantly change?

A frame of reference can be fixed or moving. A fixed frame of reference is stationary and does not move relative to the object being observed. A moving frame of reference is one that is in motion relative to the object. It is important to specify the frame of reference when describing motion to avoid confusion.

4. How do different frames of reference affect the laws of physics?

The laws of physics are the same in all frames of reference, but the way they are observed and measured may differ. For example, the laws of motion and gravity are the same in a stationary frame of reference and a moving frame of reference, but the observed motion and gravitational forces may differ due to the relative motion between the two frames.

5. Why is the concept of frame of reference important in science?

The concept of frame of reference is important in science because it allows us to accurately describe and understand the motion and behavior of objects and events in the physical world. It helps us make predictions and calculations based on the relative positions and movements of objects, and it allows us to compare and analyze different phenomena from different perspectives.

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