Whose Mind?

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What the Mind hypothese is about

Some word on this malicious hypothese here.

The whole point of the hypothese itself can best be thought of as a Mind trick. In order for this hypothese to 'proof' itself (the only way the Mind-hypothese can validate itself, is within the mind, the hypothese realy is not a hypothesis on any other part of reality, and has no application outside of it) the read of the hypothese has go through a sequence of assumptions. Most basic of these assumptions is to state that apart from our thoughts, awareness and perceptions, there is not something that is 'there' outside of the mind.
As this can not be in any way a proper way of describing reality, since it would lead directly to solipsism, the hypothese has to come up with a hypothese of reality as it is perceived and explored by science, outside of one's own mind, and independend of it. This is done by the theoretical assumption of a 'Super mind' that 'imagines' all the other minds and outside reality.

The function of this idea is quite straightforward. It will make people in effect immune against the idea of a material world, that can be known by the mind, and the ideas of materialism. It puts reality upside down, by first stating an outside world, independend of one's mind does not exist, and then arguing that the world exists in the form of a 'Super-Mind'. The purpose of this, is clear. The 'Super-Mind' has to replace the concept of matter, as is put forward by materialism.

The way of reasoning is bogus, cause it takes the position that we have to assume that outside of perception, there isn't anything there. Although our perceptions aren't perfect, it is however clear that this position is baseless. The exploration of the natural world by science, describes in much greater detail and much greater objectivity the world as it is.
 
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Originally posted by Iacchus32
I've had some pretty lucid dreams myself. Whereas I can see how people might construe such things for being abducted by aliens. Because they can be that real!

Well, sweet dreams! ...
My understanding about lucid dreams is NOT that they are characterized by how "real" they seem...but by the fact that we "wake up" in them an realize we're in a dream !

If this the dream and the AWARENESS that it is a dream can be sustained, then we -- in the dream -- can start to direct the action ...causing things to appear, change shapes for our purposes, or anything else imaginable .

I've had a few such dreams in my life and was able to make some things "happen".

I've also had a few "astral dreams" -- where I could "fly" over trees and such -- and am amazed at the clarity of details of what I "observed" in "flight".

Is this the wrong thread for this conversation? Anyhow, I'm not much "into" dreams...operating on "faith" that I'm "working things out" on another "plane".
 
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Originally posted by M. Gaspar
My PROPOSITION is that the Universe IS an Entity...while you adhere to an ASSUMPTION that it is not.
Actually, mine would not be considered a proposition, just a denying of yours. However, I agree that there is nothing wrong up to this point. It's when one begins to postulate that consciousness itself may exist in discrete quanta.

Please remember that I think yours is a worthy idea, I just don't happen to agree with it.

A "proposition" is a new idea presented as something that MAY be "true" while an "assumption" is an idea presented as something that IS "true".
You're right.
 
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Originally posted by M. Gaspar
First, a question: Is "purpose" that which serves "another" or that which serves "self"?
Sorry I've been so long in getting back to you, but I've been in the process of procurring work the last couple of days and today I had to serve Jury Duty. And now that I'm back to doing nothing? ... i.e., the job didn't pan out and I've been relieved from Jury Duty.

My thinking is that a "purpose" for self is that which SERVES self.

As an example: the "purpose" of a bank teller -- from MY point of view -- is to help me make deposits and withdrawals. However, from the point of view of the bank teller, their "purpose" of being a bank teller is, perhaps, to earn a paycheck...with their PURPOSE FOR EXISTENCE is something else altogether.
I think purpose originates with self, and yet to the degree that we become "self-less," we can learn to serve the purpose of others.


I present this distinction because I first want to talk about what I believe the "purpose" of the existence of the Universe is...from the Universe's "point of view". Which is: to have an Experience...a real complex one, which includes the life experiences of Everything That Is...past/present/future.

What ELSE would an all-knowing, all-powerful, eternal Entity do? Just sit there knowing everything and doing nothing?
There's no doubt a myriad of levels of experience that God could easily pass through and thus experience "His nature." For example what does the experience of being the sun feel like? Probably "most sublime" ...


Of course, there are "sub-purposes"...like seeing what It can create THIS time...and the EVOLUTION of It's consciousness...and spirit(?).
Even so the Universe seems to behave according to a pre-existing set of rules, and nothing really behaves as if from random.


The "purpose of the Universe" for us is as the Source of our Beingness...the Universe gave rise to us via NATURAL FORCES and INGREDIENTS.
Yes, we are all "by-products" of the Universe.


Among those "ingredients"? CONSCIOUSNESS...always there as PART of the Universe...but "shuffled" in each "incarnation of the Universe" to give rise to different "things" ...which eventually get around to sending speculations to the Universe about what the Universe actually IS.

This might be OUR "purpose" from the Universe's point of view (that of helping the Universe understand ITSELF)...while, from our point of view, our "purpose" may be the same as that of our Source: to have an experience...to create something new ...to evolve ..and to be a source for other beings.
Or, maybe the Universe just enjoys being appreciated? From the standpoint of that which is most similar, i.e., consciousness?


Who knows???
Perhaps through consciousness?
 
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Originally posted by Iacchus32
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I think purpose originates with self, and yet to the degree that we become "self-less," we can learn to serve the purpose of others.

There's no doubt a myriad of levels of experience that God could easily pass through and thus experience "His nature." For example what does the experience of being the sun feel like? Probably "most sublime" ...

Even so the Universe seems to behave according to a pre-existing set of rules, and nothing really behaves as if from random.

Yes, we are all "by-products" of the Universe.

Or, maybe the Universe just enjoys being appreciated? From the standpoint of that which is most similar, i.e., consciousness?


Perhaps through consciousness?
Wish I could isolate quotes so that I could respond to them one by one (like others do) but I just don't know how and am, apparently, untrainable. So, let's take it from the top...

1. I was making the distinction between two perspectives of "purpose": that of one's OWN idea of one's purpose; and what OTHERS might think our purpose is for THEM.

I agree with you that we are here to serve others, as part of my personal purpose is to MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

2. Using my decoder ring, I take it that when you say "God" you are referring to what I call the "living, conscious Universe". Even though I'm a Quaker and "Friends" throw the term "God" around a lot (and I do so, too, for the sake of discussing certain concepts in "their language"), I really do not much like the CONCEPT of "God" as it is put forth by many...that of an all-knowing, all-powerful Being that exists OUTSIDE the Universe...and is It's "creator".

And, since I'm here -- rather than among "Friends" -- I prefer to use MY lingo and say that the Universe ITSELF is having a very complex EXPERIENCE.

3. The Universe is an Entity with NATURAL PROCESSES and INGREDIENTS...among these is the element of RANDOMNESS...which I see as a sort of "gatekeeper" between that which HAS been manifested and that which could be manifested.

In other words, the Universe is a "sea of possibilities" with RANDOMNESS built in as a "lynchpin". And what "pulls the lynchpin"? I think it's INTENTION!

4. PRODUCTS ... not "by-products". I believe that in each incarnation of the Universe, it INTENDS that sentient beings such as we (only better!!!) evolve to ask questions and seek answers...among other things.

5. Yes: APPRECIATION over "worship" makes sense to me.

6. No one will ever know "everything" except the ONE Who is Everything That Is.
 
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Originally posted by M. Gaspar
Wish I could isolate quotes so that I could respond to them one by one (like others do) but I just don't know how and am, apparently, untrainable. So, let's take it from the top...
You know how to highlight something in bold don't you? Just isolate the the text that you want to put into quotes and place a [quote'] in front of it and a [/quote'] after it. For example, [quote']Please put this line into quotes ...[/quote'] comes out to ...
Please put this line into quotes ...
Also notice the apostrophe within the brackets. This will have to be removed in order to get it to work properly. I had to modify this in order to show you how the code works, otherwise it would have put this other text into quotes as well.
 
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Academy of Remote Viewing

From the URLAT, http://www.probablefuture.com/matrix.htm ...

Most human entities spend their "waking" lives hypnotized by their sensory world, which gives them the illusion of a material reality "out there."

In reality, space and time are really nonexistent both at the level of Pure Aware Consciousness, and also at the level of the unaware "blind parts" that experience for It the illusion of creative thought within an illusory space/time construct called Creation.

Mankind rarely realizes that life is but a sensory illusion that gives experience and learning to Thought, and that the only reality is Thought Itself, which is forever evolving.

Consciousness can be defined as Awareness projected onto a vibratory Dream. Period. For Space/Time Creation it is but pure Dark lesser vibratory (conscious and subconscious) thought interacting more or less intensely with the inner Holographic Light/Thought Reality originating through the facets of The MATRIX ("Deep" of Genesis 1: 2).
Oh my God! ... Is that you Lifegazer!?
 
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Originally posted by Iacchus32
You know how to highlight something in bold don't you? Just isolate the the text that you want to put into quotes and place a [quote'] in front of it and a [/quote'] after it. For example, [quote']Please put this line into quotes ...[/quote'] comes out to ... Also notice the apostrophe within the brackets. This will have to be [quote']removed in order to get it to work properly.[/quote']
I had to modify this in order to show you how the code works, otherwise it would have put this other text into quotes as well.
WHEN do I do this? It can't be done when looking at your post.

And you can see above what happens when I try it when I'm typing MY post.

I know it can be done! What is my problem?
 
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Originally posted by M. Gaspar
WHEN do I do this? It can't be done when looking at your post.

And you can see above what happens when I try it when I'm typing MY post.

I know it can be done! What is my problem?
Okay I'm going to reply to your post above and, in order to show what the code looks like, I'm going to use the word "quotes" instead of "quote" within the brackets, in which case you'll need to drop the "s" in order to get it to function properly. The code should look similar to what I've laid out below, and also note how I formatted it with respect to spacing and what not. The actual quoted material will show up below that ...


[quotes]Originally posted by M. Gaspar
WHEN do I do this? It can't be done when looking at your post.[/quotes]Line 1 ... This is my response to line 1 ...


[quotes]And you can see above what happens when I try it when I'm typing MY post.[/quotes]Line 2 ... This is my response to line 2 ...


[quotes]I know it can be done! What is my problem? [/quotes]Line 3 ... This is my response to line 3 ...
Like I said all you need to do is drop the "s" (in both instances) and it should show up correctly below ... and notice there are "three sets" of quotes (i.e., "s" x 6) ...


Originally posted by M. Gaspar
WHEN do I do this? It can't be done when looking at your post.
Line 1 ... This is my response to line 1 ...


And you can see above what happens when I try it when I'm typing MY post.
Line 2 ... This is my response to line 2 ...


I know it can be done! What is my problem?
Line 3 ... This is my response to line 3 ...
 
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Iacchus...

I will attempt what you are advising after a day of prayer...

Meanwhile, let's not waste any more posts on my retardation.
 
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Originally posted by M. Gaspar
I will attempt what you are advising after a day of prayer...
WHAT?!?
 

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