I've been reading posts and what not for quite some time now, even replying to some just to be attacked. Now if you are going to reply to this thread, read all the posts, don't insult, speak logically and only logically. If you are unsre of something ask, don't use false authorities like 'the law states' and 'majority believe', I don't care about what specific or alot of people do or believe, just because majority are in favour of or people with high authority are in favour of, in no way implies that there right. Now I am posting this thread not to impose personal or religious beliefs but truth. If you can argue it, be my guest, but before you do read the above statement first. Now for everything there is a standard, an absolute. If there is no absolute, then in just saying there is no absolute is the same as saying 'the only absolute is that there is no absolute', now this is a contradiction, so that can't be true, meaning there must be an absolute. Now in seeing this we see there is a standard, even one for human nature. In the history of man, man has done just about everything, does that mean it is part of man's nature, no. It is man's nature to have free will, it is my will to write this post, and my friends will to give up on hopeless subjectivists. That is human nature, its human nature to search for happiness. Even in suicide, the suicidals goal is to relieve pain, in return bringing out happiness.