Why are cyclotrons dangerous

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In summary: I'm not sure if I should tell them about my project or not.In summary, a cyclotron is a dangerous machine to build because it requires high voltage and proper shielding. Particle accelerators must be properly shielded and this is not the kind of task someone who doesn't know the basics about accelerator physics should attempt to undertake. If you are interested in building a cyclotron, you should consult with someone who is more knowledgeable about the project.
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I have posted on this site before asking how to build a cyclotron and have been met with the same response over and over; they are very dangerous. I agree and have given up on the project (at least for a while) and would like to know why they are dangerous. Please tell me.
 
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Cyclotrons produce radiation such as x-rays. Particle accelerators must be properly shielded and this is certainly not the kind of task someone who doesn't know the basics about accelerator physics should attempt to undertake.
 
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beatlemaniacj said:
I have posted on this site before asking how to build a cyclotron and have been met with the same response over and over; they are very dangerous. I agree and have given up on the project (at least for a while) and would like to know why they are dangerous. Please tell me.
High voltage is one danger, cyclotron radiation another, and if one manages particles in the keV or MeV range, then ionizing radiation is yet another danger. Proper design and shielding are necessary when working with radiation and high energy particles.
 
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There is also the issue of mechanical safety, since cyclotrons generally require a high vacuum to function. The equipment used to create vacuums are dangerous, as well as pulling a vacuum with inadequate materials could lead to violent implosion.
 
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Where would the high voltage danger come from? Not denying it, just curious.
 
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beatlemaniacj, you have received credible warnings about the dangers of constructing your own cyclotron. Others have built them, but only with supervision of professors and/or engineers. The cost would be HIGH, the time would be maybe measured in years, and your results may be disappointing. If your interest is persistent, try to visit one.

Have you tried to Google “cyclotron construction plans”? I got lots of hits.

Have you seen this from Scientific American's Amateur Scientist: "Cyclotron, 1953 Sep, pg 154"? at: http://amasci.com/amateur/sciamdx.html#52-CC
 
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The Warnings Are Credible, and I will heed them. But I have also received credible information (i.e. a Scientist, who as a high school student who did build on of the these machines) about relatively easy safety precautions. But I do plan to reconsider my idea. Maybe try to build a Cathode Ray Tube, or another project.
 
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A cathode ray tube is safer. If you keep the voltage below 10kv you probably won't make x-rays. You still need a vacuum and have to worry about glass implosion.

You seem bent on some vacuum-particle experiments. Let me suggest some much safer ones. For a few thousand dollars you can buy a small glass bell-jar vacuum system. These have steel cages to protect people in case of implosion. You can take low-voltage lamps like 12-volt filament bulbs and break them open. You can use these in the vacuum chamber as thermionic electron sources. With a setup like this you can construct free-electron diodes, triodes, and even pentodes and measure their transfer functions (voltage vs current relationships). You can do all this safely at low voltages and still do some really impressive physics.
 
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Oddly enough I'm not truly afraid of x rays. Distance and concrete work as pretty good shields. And even in the cyclotron from the people I talked to, they seemed to be the only danger. Cyclotron radiation would not be an extreme danger because of the size of the machine plus I'm using pure protons as projectiles which obviously have a much smaller mass than an ion of a heavy atom. Daughter radiation also won't be a problem seeing as not much will be generated. Also I am using a high proton cross section target. But I am still reconsidering my project. Those were all some observations I made and some bits of info I received. I am seriously reconsidering my cyclotron
 
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Great but we can't help you. It's a liability thing.

We are aware that you are not competent embark on this project and that means any advice or information we offer can make us liable if you (or someone else) gets injured.

Or simply breaks the law.

I haven't looked into it, but it is entirely probable that what you are doing is illegal without the proper permits. Flip over any electronic device and you will see an FCC sticker that shows the device has passed strict radiation and radio frequency emissions standards. This is strictly controlled. Building a device of your own, it is very possible to bring the Feds down on your head and put you in jail for violation.
 
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I am component enough to build this machine. The questions I ask might seem odd, but mostly I asked them for reasons other then my personal knowledge. The legalities is a reason why I am reconsidering.
 
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I also asked these questions, because my parents wanted to know.
 
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beatlemaniacj said:
I am component enough to build this machine. The questions I ask might seem odd, but mostly I asked them for reasons other then my personal knowledge. The legalities is a reason why I am reconsidering.
I hope you mean you are competent enough. I have heard of machines having components but never of components having machines!:tongue:
 
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Curse You Auto Correct! The Downside to having big fingers and an iPhone. :smile:
 
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beatlemaniacj said:
I am component enough to build this machine.

No, you are not. All you can do is get you or someone else injured or worse.

You're hijacking your own thread. A thread on the risks and dangerous of a cyclotron is something appropriate here. An argument that you know enough to build and operate one safely is not. It's also patently ridiculous: "I'm not truly afraid of x rays" indeed.

If this thread doesn't get back on topic, it will be closed.
 
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Again I am not and will never build a cyclotron.
 
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beatlemaniacj said:
Again I am not and will never build a cyclotron.

Can you think of some other interesting projects that you might like to build? Projects don't have to be dangerous to be interesting. It's good that you are naturally curious and want to build some hands-on projects.
 

What is a cyclotron?

A cyclotron is a type of particle accelerator that uses electromagnetic fields to accelerate charged particles, such as protons or electrons, to high speeds in order to study the properties of these particles.

Why are cyclotrons used?

Cyclotrons are used in scientific research, specifically in the field of nuclear physics, to study the behavior and properties of subatomic particles. They are also used in medical settings to produce radioisotopes for diagnostic imaging and cancer treatment.

How does a cyclotron work?

A cyclotron works by using alternating electric fields to accelerate charged particles in a spiral path. The particles are injected into the center of the cyclotron, where they are then accelerated by an electric field and guided by a magnetic field. As the particles gain speed, the radius of their spiral path increases until they reach the outer edge of the cyclotron, where they are extracted for further study.

What makes cyclotrons dangerous?

Cyclotrons can be dangerous due to the high energies involved in accelerating particles. This can pose a risk to the individuals operating the cyclotron and those in close proximity to it. Additionally, the production of radioisotopes in a cyclotron can also pose a risk if proper safety measures are not followed.

What safety measures are in place to prevent accidents with cyclotrons?

Cyclotron facilities have strict safety protocols in place to prevent accidents. This includes regular maintenance and inspection of equipment, proper training for operators, and radiation shielding to protect individuals from exposure to high-energy particles. Facilities also have emergency response plans in place in case of accidents or spills.

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