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Why are there so many posts about women?

I suppose if I ever needed relationship advice about men, I could come and ask here...
 

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I've noticed, scary.
It's not a male design, if that is what seems scary. Women seem naturally to have less interest in math and physics. The men who do are not particularly happy about that.
 

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It's not a male design, if that is what seems scary.
Or, I could have meant that it is scary due to the fact that I know oodles of female science/math lovers; however, it had occured to me that while they are out there, they tend to not flaunt the fact they're female and they don't travel cyberspace all that often to find conversation. I, myself, only found this forum because I was looking for something in particular related to NPTU and just happened to stumble across it. I decided it was interesting enough and joined.

I suppose though, that the forums (or blogs, or newsletters, or whathaveyou) for SWE are chalk FULL of women.
 
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Or, I could have meant that it is scary due to the fact that I know oodles of female science/math lovers; however, it had occured to me that while they are out there, they tend to not flaunt the fact they're female and they don't travel cyberspace all that often to find conversation. I, myself, only found this forum because I was looking for something in particular related to NPTU and just happened to stumble across it. I decided it was interesting enough and joined.

I suppose though, that the forums (or blogs, or newsletters, or whathaveyou) for SWE are chalk FULL of women.
It's all about the ratio. Apparently there is always a higher proportion of men in math/science classes. For every unit oodle of women in math/science it seems there may be as much as an oodle2 of men, though I don't know why.
 

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The debate about the men-to-women ratio in any sort of technical field has been ongoing since they allowed women higher education.

I will note that all of my math teachers in college were women, my chemistry teacher was female, and only my physics instructor was male.
 

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According to a statistically significant number of cartoons, 99.9% of men in scientific fields have no social intelligence when it comes to dealing with the opposite sex. Thus, they turn to the internet for help
 
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"Nerdy" men tend to need more help with seeking women. They appear to be more shy as well, from what I've noticed atleast.
 
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Because women are more complicated than men.
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There is the internet flirt factor. Online many men will glom onto any person professing themselves to be female and practically harass them with various forms of "flirtation". I've known a number of females that specifically avoid identifying themselves as such online because of this. I've become rather self conscious about this wondering if the females I interact with are thinking I am just trying to chat them up.

Also, for the relationship forum in particular, men tend to be more interested in "going after" women while women seem to be more interested in trying to get the men coming after them to go away.
 
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Because women are more complicated than men.
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That's kind of sexist, don't you think? I don't like the idea that women are somehow more complex or difficult to deal with simply by virtue of our femaleness.
 
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That's kind of sexist, don't you think? I don't like the idea that women are somehow more complex or difficult to deal with simply by virtue of our femaleness.
Are you maintaining men are just as complex, or that women are simpler than men perceive them to be?
 
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Are you maintaining men are just as complex, or that women are simpler than men perceive them to be?
I'm maintaining that you can't make generalizations about how simple or complex any person is based simply on biological sex.
 
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I'm maintaining that you can't make generalizations about how simple or complex any person is based simply on biological sex.
So you object to the joke because you think it will create a false expectation in men's minds that individual women they encounter will be more complex than they might actually end up being?
 
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No, I object to the joke because it's making a sweeping and unwarranted generalization about women. We are not some kind of colossal enigma left as a puzzle for men, we're just people. I know some men find women difficult to understand, but I also know some women find men confusing.
 
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No, I object to the joke because it's making a sweeping and unwarranted generalization about women. We are not some kind of colossal enigma left as a puzzle for men, we're just people. I know some men find women difficult to understand, but I also know some women find men confusing.
Do you find the title and premise of the book Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus sexist?
 
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I don't know what to tell you, as I haven't read the book and don't really have an opinion on it. There may or may not be biological differences between men and women, but I don't think it's reasonable to assume "complexity" is one of them.
 
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I don't know what to tell you, as I haven't read the book and don't really have an opinion on it. There may or may not be biological differences between men and women, but I don't think it's reasonable to assume "complexity" is one of them.
There is no question about the fact there are biological differences between men and women. That book goes beyond that and maintains there are intrinsic psychological differences, that men and women simply don't think the same way in many important areas. This, according to the book, leads to confusion and mutual misunderstanding, which the author seeks to clear up.

A person could condemn it based on the fact it makes sweeping generalizations about the two sexes. It would be no problem to take any assertion he makes about one sex or the other and find a large number of individuals who don't fit his assertion. Someone could proceed from there to label the book "sexist". To do that, though, would be to take consideration of the book in a completely wrong direction. I was hoping you'd read it and would have something to say about its being sexist or not because then I'd understand more about your attitude.
 

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That's kind of sexist, don't you think? I don't like the idea that women are somehow more complex or difficult to deal with simply by virtue of our femaleness.
Touchy, touchy, touchy!

Look at the image again without that touchiness and ask yourself which gender is being defamed. I asked my wife as a sanity check. Her opinion: (1) It's funny. (2) She doesn't give a hoot if men perceive women as overly complex. (3) It doesn't demean women. It demeans men.
 
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Touchy, touchy, touchy!

Look at the image again without that touchiness and ask yourself which gender is being defamed. I asked my wife as a sanity check. Her opinion: (1) It's funny. (2) She doesn't give a hoot if men perceive women as overly complex. (3) It doesn't demean women. It demeans men.
I was working up to this, DH.

The beauty of the joke picture is that it is perfectly symmetrical. Women can see it as poking fun at men and visa versa. I know a lot of women who would chuckle at it and say "That's sooo true!, men are clueless!"

The problem is that Jimmy presented it here in this thread as representing the male perspective with his caption "Because women are more complicated." The picture, by itself, actually functions as a rorshach test.
 
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I never said it demeans anyone, I said that it was sexist. This sentence comes from the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article on sexism:

"Sexism involves hatred of, or prejudice towards, a gender as a whole or the application of gender stereotypes."

(emphasis added).

What I specifically object to is the stereotype that women are complicated and men are simple. There is a pervasive attitude that women are mysterious and difficult to understand. If I picked a race and said that people of that race were more complex than others, I would be a horrible racist. Even if I meant it as some kind of backhanded compliment, it would not be an okay thing to say. I think a similar principle applies here. If you don't agree with me, well, fine--nothing I can say will convince you. I can't pretend to speak for all women, but I personally don't appreciate being regarded as some kind of strange and mysterious being whose secrets need to be unlocked.

I don't really feel like arguing about this, so I probably won't come back to this thread, but if you all want to debate it further, by all means continue without me.
 

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