Why Are Adult Sites Still Legal in the USA?

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In summary: It's not a topic for children or those who haven't yet reached an age where they can make an informed judgement.In summary, the internet is flooded with innumerable porn sites that can contaminate the minds of youngster (<18 years old). They are very immoral and NASTY, the pictures of gay sex, anal sex, oral sex, incest and so on are so terrible. Most of the porn sites are from USA. Does this tell me USA government agrees with these porn-culture? Is it an immoral country? Why do you allow these nasty things to be legal? What can we do to BAN it? The USA is a culture that feels that people have the right to make their own
  • #71
zoobyshoe said:
Perhaps banning porn would be ineffectual in cutting down on this abuse of kids, but I am becoming increasingly alarmed and irritated that people's responses seem to have to be filtered through the muck of their own petty rights before there is any thought about how completely defenseless kids are having their lives ruined. I get the feeling some of you people wouldn't pull someone out of a burning car if it happened on your coffee break because you have a right to your coffee break.

It's an ironic bizarrerie that today's politically correct existensialism, in which culture is reduced to only that which offends no one, puts so much effort into protecting such an offensive form of free speech.

But, in this case, the others are right on two fronts.

The internet is a global phenomenon. One country can't control what goes over the internet, nor can it control the treatment of children in other countries.

As much of a pain as it is to keep porn off the family computer, the harm in strict controls on internet traffic would be worse.

As it is, in the US, you can be prosecuted for making child porn movies, selling or distributing child porn either over the internet, through videos, or magazines, or for possessing any the preceding. Quite a few do get caught, which is why so much porn and gambling comes from off-shore sites specializing in things which would be illegal in the US.
 
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  • #72
zooby,

Do you think selfAdjoint was responding to your post previous to his? If so, your response is warranted.
 
  • #73
zoobyshoe said:
I'm not talking about porn. I'm talking about psychological and sexual abuse of children. This is already illegal.

I could link you to photographs of children being abused in this way that I have come across inserted into otherwise "consenting adult" porn. It would be illegal for me to create such a link, apparently, and yet no one seems to be able to shut these sites down.

Someone's making money somewhere off of raping children and photographing it. These kids lives are being ruined before they have any real chance to get started. You think these kids are going to just shake this off and put it behind them someday? You think they're going to get themselves into a good school and learn physics and become researchers and teachers? If you do, you're quite naive. Think rather: severe depression, personality disorders, drug and alcohol abuse, prostitution, suicidal tendencies. Could you think about that before you sit and complacently express gratitude the FBI isn't making decisions about what's dirty?

Perhaps banning porn would be ineffectual in cutting down on this abuse of kids, but I am becoming increasingly alarmed and irritated that people's responses seem to have to be filtered through the muck of their own petty rights before there is any thought about how completely defenseless kids are having their lives ruined. I get the feeling some of you people wouldn't pull someone out of a burning car if it happened on your coffee break because you have a right to your coffee break.

As you pointed out child pornogrraphy is illegal, so its continuing presence online is a criminal justice problem. The police can never eliminate crime, only make arrests where they have evidence and can identify the offender. I believe that voluntary display of child ponography is grounds already for a site to be shut down. Why don't you notify your local FBI office when you detect some?.
 
  • #74
zoobyshoe said:
What is preventing the FBI or whoever from turning these sites off? Is it a technical impossibility? I would think they had the authority and technical means to do this.
I imagine that they have to infitrate to get proof that it is happening. I'm just guessing, but I would imagine that they disguise them fairly well. The FBI probably does shut down many of them. I really don't know.
 
  • #75
I just read today in the paper that China started a crackdown on porn around july 16th. They've sent people to jail even. They said they didn't want to corrupt the minds of the young people.

So, how about you go live there? Sounds like they got everything under control and just the way you like it.
 
  • #76
I had a friend from another country that has an extreme cultural bias against pornography. We were playing chess while his cousin and her kids watched HBO [early HBO, this was in about 1987]. A soft porn movie came on - probably the equivalent of an R rated movie today. The mother went nuts! "Oh my God! Don't they know that kids are watching at this time of day?" She was just beside herself and quickly grabbed for the remote control to find something appropriate for the kids.

They then watched a Terminator-like movie! I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Personally, I think people blowing each other heads off and dismembering each other, and scenes of people taking joy in killing does more damage to a young mind, and society in general, than any nudity that I ever saw on HBO.

Edit: I still can't get over this. AMAZING. On HBO two people were making love, or at least doing something perfectly natural, but the preferred option was something horrid, sickening, and very unnatural.

Saint, do you like Terminator movies?
 
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  • #77
Goalie_Ca said:
I just read today in the paper that China started a crackdown on porn around july 16th. They've sent people to jail even. They said they didn't want to corrupt the minds of the young people.

So, how about you go live there? Sounds like they got everything under control and just the way you like it.
In some of the larger cities in China, access to some web pages is disabled. Enforcement is not uniform across the country, fortunately.

I personally feel good that Big Brother is protecting me from access to porn, or to anything else that might be deemed by those in power to be detrimental to them.
 
  • #78
Can someone give me some convincing reasons why do people need porn?
How can porn be good to people's mentality ?
 
  • #79
Saint said:
Can someone give me some convincing reasons why do people need porn?
How can porn be good to people's mentality ?
You lead such a sheltered life. Go ask your mother.
 
  • #80
This may not be enough for Saint but for guys that can't get girls and don't want to waste mony on prostiutes porn is a easy way out. :frown:
And here is another idea if young people would watch enough porn the world population wouldn't grow this fast (don't take this seriusly) :biggrin: .
 
  • #81
I suppose that there is no really good reason that Poeple actually "need porn". I don't think that It is required for a person to have a good mentality. Having said that, when trying to change a law or socially accepted institution, the burden of proof does not lie on that institution to defend itself, the burden of proof lies on the force that wants to cause the change.

just out of curiosity is there any difference in your view between two or 50 consenting adults rent a gym and lock all the doors and look at each others naked bodies or an adult well within the rights of the law sitting at his or her computer searching for picturs of those same two or 50 people?
 
  • #82
Well, we as animals have necessity of sex. I don't see why if somebody wrote a book 2000 years ago saying that this is obscene/sinful we should then put a stop to our instincts
 
  • #83
meteor said:
Well, we as animals have necessity of sex. I don't see why if somebody wrote a book 2000 years ago saying that this is obscene/sinful we should then put a stop to our instincts

Did they?
According to what i know of that novel called bible,
Jesus had no problems talking to or being in the presence of a prostitute.
Nor did he have a problem with what she did for a living.

@Saint
Then of to why porn isn't a problem.
Agreed some pron does require you to have a peculiar taste to say the least.
But what is wrong with that?
Heck, its the smae stuff you and you wife did, afteral you have a kid, and those don't grow on fertile soil now do they.
Also you probably didn't mind creating your kid.

So what is wrong with watching it?
My parents had no objections with me watching erotic scenes in movies (they didn't go as far as to encourage me to whatch porn).
Point its, why not educate your kids about it, starting when they are young.
It will make them familiar with what sex is, makes them aware of the risks (pregnancy, sexualy transmitted diseases e.g.) and teaches them to protect them self.
Because trust me, the more you tell a kid he can't watch something, the more he'll WANT to see it.
Then looking at porn (or even plain nudity) will become something secret (in effect creating a taboo) and your kid will associate sex with secrecy and dirty for the rest of his/her life.

AND THATS WRONG!
Sex is healthy, fun, probably one of the ultimate forms to show your affection to someone.
Ohh and did i say fun already?

Ohh and the final question.
You believe in God, right?
God is almighty? I'm right on that one again, aren't I?

THEN WHY ON EARTH DID HE ALLOW PORN IF HE DOESN'T LIKE IT!??!? :surprise:
Ouch, that one struck a nerv didn't it? :grumpy:
 
  • #84
This thread is pretty humorous, people debating the intentions of a 2,000 year old mythological creature.
 
  • #85
Sex is private, why disclose it on the net for others to see?
 
  • #86
Sex is private ? Says who ? The Saint ?
 
  • #87
Saint said:
Sex is private, why disclose it on the net for others to see?
Because others want to see it.

Most likely, those performing want others to see it.

If you don't want to see it, don't go looking for it.

If you don't want your kids to see it, be a parent and watch their internet activities or get a porn blocker.

What is the problem?

Nobody wants you, the government, or the church in their bedrooms, so STAY OUT.
 
  • #88
Humans are civilized beings, therefore they wear clothes.
But it seems that humans have degraded to the level of animals, exposing their genitals proudly to people!
 
  • #89
I agree there is a tumbling of morality going on, the redefinition of values. I have my own values I hold on to, luckily.

Saint: there are many things on the internet that are objectionable, but it is a free medium. There's a freedom of speech, a governmental censor would take away one of the basic rights. Ofcourse a thing you could do is start an action group and collect signatures and present that to the government: if they feel there really is a conflict in morality, action might be taken.
 
  • #90
Saint said:
Humans are civilized beings, therefore they wear clothes.
But it seems that humans have degraded to the level of animals, exposing their genitals proudly to people!

Please explain your perceived implication between the wearing of clothes and civilization. I'm rather puzzled.

Aftertought : Using bold script does not lend weight to a statement, merely to the annoyance of those reading it.
 
  • #91
Monique said:
Saint: there are many things on the internet that are objectionable, but it is a free medium.

Wasnt there going to be a law passed that you couldn't make racist comments online? I mean calling the French "frogs" n stuff?
 
  • #92
Well Dimitri, not long ago a nudist organisation decided to organize a bicycle tour through several cities. The police came and asked them to put their clothes back on. Nudity is not generally accepted behaviour. I avoid watching dutch movies, they are littered with nudity.

I personally think it's perverted behaviour to go out and look for material like that. I feel the same about the beheading videos everyone was watching or the other shocking television programs or websites.
 
  • #93
Monique said:
Well Dimitri, not long ago a nudist organisation decided to organize a bicycle tour through several cities. The police came and asked them to put their clothes back on. Nudity is not generally accepted behaviour. I avoid watching dutch movies, they are littered with nudity.

I personally think it's perverted behaviour to go out and look for material like that. I feel the same about the beheading videos everyone was watching or the other shocking television programs or websites.

But you recognize that it is each person's decision to make about what he/she wants to watch or avoid.

There is a difference between bicycling nude down public streets and posing nude in internet sites or movies. It's this difference that makes the first case illegal.

If you found porn on a regular (say educational) website or TV show, that would certainly be wrong. And if you found religious dogma on a science forum (say PF), that would be in need of censorship too.

I'm shocked at the level of porn...errr, I mean preaching...that I'm being "unfairly" exposed to in this forum.
 
  • #94
Gokul43201 said:
But you recognize that it is each person's decision to make about what he/she wants to watch or avoid.
You are right. But we can still question the psychological effect these issues are having on society as a whole and in what direction this is going to take us.

I don't see a ban happening since the internet is not owned by anyone, it's free terrain, there are software programs available that protect the individual from inappropriate content :)
 
  • #95
First time when i saw nude woman, i was very excited, after sometime, i was not excited anymore.
Excessive porns make women uninteresting to men.
 
  • #96
Saint said:
First time when i saw nude woman, i was very excited, after sometime, i was not excited anymore.
Excessive porns make women uninteresting to men.
Ah, the voice of experience. Thank you for sacrificing yourself to gain the experience so that we can benefit from your insights and be saved from the suffering ourselves.
 
  • #97
exposing genitals to people is an act of beast! Very Low-class.
 
  • #98
I doubt that anyone wanted to read this on PF.

Do you think you're the only one who doesn't like this stuff? That's why you're allowed to avoid it.

You may think of other people whatever you want, but don't expect other people to accept your moral values.
 
  • #99
Saint said:
this is what you usually get in porn sites:
7) etc...NASTY

Do you call this Freedom?

Clearly, you have paid no attention to what we've been saying over the last 6 pages.

I find it infuriating that you start a thread, and then refuse to participate in the discussion. Instead, you periodically spew irrelevant rhetoric.

Join in the discussion, or stay out of it ! If you won't make the effort to read our posts, I don't see why we should humor your idle crusades.
 
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  • #100
Saint said:
this is what you usually get in porn sites:
7) etc...NASTY

For someone who doesn't like porn sites, you sure are knowledgeable of the content!
 
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  • #101
Math Is Hard said:
For someone who doesn't like porn sites, you sure are knowledgeable of the content!
Indeed ! What Saint is talking about here is horrible. He even looks frustrated by watching to much porn. Weird...

Gokul said:
I find it infuriating that you start a thread, and then refuse to participate in the discussion. Instead, you periodically spew irrelevant rhetoric.
Great point. I did not dare mention that, but I totally agree with Gokul.
 
  • #102
Saint said:
this is what you usually get in porn sites:
7) etc...NASTY

Do you call this Freedom?
You are sick. You are exercising your freedom to expose us all to this crap. You are forcing us to view it. You are exercising a freedom that we did not seek out.

You are the sick person who sought out this stuff. You are the sick mind that collected this stuff. You are the sicko who posted it on this forum.

You then have the gall to ask us if you are exercising your freedom in posting all of this on a forum where it does not belong.

If you are kicked off of this forum, then you can perhaps claim that you are correct. If you find that you do indeed have the freedom to be so perverted on this forum, then you have no right to complain about the freedom of others to post this stuff on web sites where only sickos like yourself can find it, and only when they voluntarily look for it.
 
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  • #103
Saint, you are still allowed here only not to make another martyr.
 
  • #104
rights

Saint said:
The internet is flooded with innumerable porn sites that can contaminate the minds of youngster (<18 years old).
They are very immoral and NASTY, the pictures of gay sex, anal sex, oral sex, incest and so on are so terrible. And most of the porn sites are from USA.

Does this tell me USA government agrees with these porn-culture?
Is it an immoral country?

Why do you allow these nasty things to be legal? What can we do to BAN it?
In the United States its not that they support what they do, but the important thing is they have the right to do it, when you start limiting this kind of stuff u reduce the rights of the people and increase the power of the government.

Besides a good porn once in awhile is quite funny,
 
  • #105
Saint said:
this is what you usually get in porn sites:
7) etc...NASTY

Do you call this Freedom?
You [not so] secretly love and crave this kind of material, don't you? :zzz:
Anyway, could you PM the links to some of these sites to me? Thanks. :biggrin:
 
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