Why do golf balls have dimples and cars have smooth surfaces for aerodynamics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the aerodynamic differences between golf balls, which have dimples, and cars, which have smooth surfaces. Participants examine the implications of turbulent versus laminar flow in the context of drag reduction and fuel efficiency, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of design in sports and automotive engineering.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that dimples on golf balls induce turbulent flow at lower speeds, which reduces drag, while smooth surfaces on cars are designed for laminar flow, which is assumed to be more efficient for vehicles.
  • One participant notes that a car with dimples would be more expensive and less aesthetically pleasing, questioning the practicality of such a design.
  • Another participant references a Mythbusters episode indicating that a dimpled car achieved better fuel efficiency compared to a smooth car, suggesting that there may be benefits to turbulent flow in automotive design.
  • One participant argues that turbulence generally increases drag due to increased skin friction, explaining that turbulent flow is beneficial for bluff bodies like golf balls but may not be ideal for streamlined bodies like cars.
  • It is mentioned that laminar flow is preferable for streamlined objects, as it reduces skin friction and maintains flow attachment, which is less likely to separate compared to turbulent flow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the benefits of turbulent versus laminar flow for cars and golf balls. There is no consensus on whether promoting turbulent flow in car design would be advantageous, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal aerodynamic design for vehicles.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge various factors influencing aerodynamic design, including the shape of the object (bluff vs. streamlined), the effects of surface texture, and practical considerations such as cost and aesthetics. The discussion highlights the complexity of aerodynamic principles and their application in different contexts.

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Last semester, I learned that the dimples on golf balls and the fuzz on tennis balls make the balls go faster by inducing turbulent flow at a lower speed than it otherwise would. Turbulent flow reduces the drag on the object.

When automobile engineers design cars, they seem to make them as smooth as possible. In many car commercials, they show the car in a wind tunnel with perfectly laminar flow passing by.

If turbulent flow decreases drag, why don't car manufacturers design their cars to promote turbulent flow at lower speeds? Maybe a rough patch at the front.

I'm sure my sophomore level of understanding is the problem, not the engineers who do this for a living. I assume a more laminar flow is better for cars, since that is what the engineers seem to strive for.

But what makes a car different from a tennis ball aerodynamically? Why is a turbulent flow better for a ball and a laminar flow better for a car?
 
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A car with dimples would be more expensive and ugly.

Aerodynamically, perhaps the fact that a ball spins, unlike a car, is relevant. But someone would have to verify this.
 
Dr Lots-o'watts said:
A car with dimples would be more expensive and ugly..

Jack21222 said:
While looking this stuff online, I noticed that the Mythbusters actually tested this. In their test, a car covered in golf ball-like dimples got 11% better fuel efficiency than the smooth car.

The video of the episode accessible from http://www.autoblog.com/2009/10/22/mythbusters-golf-ball-like-dimpling-mpg/
Cars with massive hailstorm damage are dimpled all over, and are often totaled by insurance companies, and are available at very large discounts.

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In general turbulence actually increases drag because of the increase in skin friction. Turbulence is useful on a golf ball because the golf ball is a bluff (not streamlined) body. When a sphere travels through a fluid the boundary layer is unable to remain attached to the surface because of the adverse pressure gradient. This means that the flow separates and a large region of low pressure forms behind the sphere. Low pressure in back creates a net force that opposes motion. Laminar flow separates more easily than turbulent flow. Turbulent flow promotes mixing between the boundary layer and the free stream so that the boundary layer has more energy and can travel further along the surface of the sphere before it separates. That means the wake is not as large so the net force due to the low pressure region is smaller.

On a streamlined body such as an airplane at moderate angles of attack separation is not likely to occur because the adverse pressure gradient is not a large. So laminar flow is more desirable because it reduces skin friction. I suppose the same could be said for a car although it is not as streamlined as an airplane. And as was already mentioned a dimpled car would be expensive and ugly and that would certainly play a role in the design.
 

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