Why do some of you right-wingers hate Hillary Clinton so much?

[wasteofo2]

I really can't understand it on a quantitative level, what exactly makes Hillary Clinton more unsavory to a lot of right-wingers than any liberal, what crazy policies has she supported, what outlandish statements has she made that makes you guys hate her so much? Or is it not so much quantitative things, as there's just something about her personality that you don't like?

As a New Yorker, I like her alot, especially since she's been fighting like a rabid dog for the money Bush promised us for 9/11 that we haven't gotten yet.

 

I hate her enough to consider voting for John Kerry to keep her out of office.
The main crazy policy (in my eyes, and my future line of work) is her ridiculous healthcare plan she and her husband tried to ram down the throats of Americans in the early 90's, and the subsequent lying and covering up done.
Overall, I find her to be a pompous arrogant *****. Her personality is awful, but that's personal and not enough to go to such drastic measures.
There's plenty of circumstantial evidence to paint her in a criminal light.
There's the psuedo-bribes.
Her policies are as ass backwards as they could possibly be for my politics.

In much of a way, her sneaky behavior, the constant coverups, the convenient shreddings remind us all of a time when Clinton skillfully manipulated the media, and Al gore took the initiative in creating the Internet. All three (four if you want to count the benign tipper) represent what many of us think are wrong in American politics today. I for one don't want to go back to that.

I think that covers it for me.

 

She's got fat ankles.

 

[arildno]

She can't make an apple pie.

 

[wasteofo2]

I hate her enough to consider voting for John Kerry to keep her out of office.
The main crazy policy (in my eyes, and my future line of work) is her ridiculous healthcare plan she and her husband tried to ram down the throats of Americans in the early 90's, and the subsequent lying and covering up done.
Overall, I find her to be a pompous arrogant *****. Her personality is awful, but that's personal and not enough to go to such drastic measures.
There's plenty of circumstantial evidence to paint her in a criminal light.
There's the psuedo-bribes.
Her policies are as ass backwards as they could possibly be for my politics.

In much of a way, her sneaky behavior, the constant coverups, the convenient shreddings remind us all of a time when Clinton skillfully manipulated the media, and Al gore took the initiative in creating the Internet. All three (four if you want to count the benign tipper) represent what many of us think are wrong in American politics today. I for one don't want to go back to that.

I think that covers it for me.

I'm a kid, I was 12 when Bush got elected, so I'm not too sure of the specifics about the "ridiculous healthcare plan she and her husband tried to ram down the throats of Americans", could you elaborate what it entailed, what measures passed, what didn't, why the measures that passed were "ass backwards" and why the ones that didn't pass would have been disastorous?

Also, what pseudo-bribes and document shredding has she been involved in? Again, I wasn't really aware of politics when Clinton was in office, so if this was all in the news and whatnot, please excuse my ignorance. I'm also curious if you think Ronald Reagan was a good president, with all the subversion of the law, document destruction etc. that went on in his administration.

Would you say you hate her and Bill equally, or do you hate her more cause of her personality?

 

[Gokul43201]

I hate her enough to consider voting for John Kerry to keep her out of office.
The main crazy policy (in my eyes, and my future line of work) is her ridiculous healthcare plan she and her husband tried to ram down the throats of Americans in the early 90's, and the subsequent lying and covering up done.
Overall, I find her to be a pompous arrogant *****. Her personality is awful, but that's personal and not enough to go to such drastic measures.
There's plenty of circumstantial evidence to paint her in a criminal light.
There's the psuedo-bribes.
Her policies are as ass backwards as they could possibly be for my politics.

In much of a way, her sneaky behavior, the constant coverups, the convenient shreddings remind us all of a time when Clinton skillfully manipulated the media, and Al gore took the initiative in creating the Internet. All three (four if you want to count the benign tipper) represent what many of us think are wrong in American politics today. I for one don't want to go back to that.

I think that covers it for me.

Nothing concrete here...except a healthcare policy screw up more than ten years ago, way before she was elected to the Senate.

 

[JohnDubYa]

Nothing concrete here..

People usually don't develop vile hatred over policies. I can't stand the ***** because she's manipulative and takes insincerity to whole new level. And if I have to hear her mention how she "is doing it for the c-h-i-l-d-r-e-n" one more time, I'll... I'lll... arrrrggghhhh!

If she runs, I will drain my bank account and give it to the Republican Party. That won't help much, but it will be all I can do.

 

[wasteofo2]

People usually don't develop vile hatred over policies. I can't stand the ***** because she's manipulative and takes insincerity to whole new level. And if I have to hear her mention how she "is doing it for the c-h-i-l-d-r-e-n" one more time, I'll... I'lll... arrrrggghhhh!

If she runs, I will drain my bank account and give it to the Republican Party. That won't help much, but it will be all I can do.

I actually developed a vile hatred for Ronald Reagan and the current George Bush based on their policies/executive actions. What instances of manipulation and insencerities on her part can you account for?

And as with phatmonkey, I'd like to know if you can justify liking Ronald Reagan's presidency while claiming such disdain for manipulation and insincerity.

 

[russ_watters]

Besides her politics, I don't like her personally because she's every bit the political opportunist that her husband is. She's staying with him for political benefit (heck, that's probably why she married him in the first place), but they are two of a kind. They really were made for each other: slime meets slime. And "stand by your man" only when it looks good on TV.

Politically, she has no real qualifications (before NY hired her) other than that she is married to a politician. The only thing she did as first lady - and I do consider this a success - is that she failed to get her national healthcare plan passed. Rumor has it, though, that she wielded some power from behind the scenes when Bill was President (ehh, he was busy...).

 

Nothing concrete here...except a healthcare policy screw up more than ten years ago, way before she was elected to the Senate.

What needs to be CONCRETE about my hatred? Are you now going to debate whethere my liking someone or not is justified? Back off. I answered the original poster's question.

 

[wasteofo2]

Besides her politics, I don't like her personally because she's every bit the political opportunist that her husband is. She's staying with him for political benefit (heck, that's probably why she married him in the first place), but they are two of a kind. They really were made for each other: slime meets slime. And "stand by your man" only when it looks good on TV.

Well, I don't doubt she and Bill had mutual interests in staying together besides love, but I ask again, has she done anything deceitful/dishonest that has caused any serious negative effects for America?

Politically, she has no real qualifications (before NY hired her) other than that she is married to a politician. The only thing she did as first lady - and I do consider this a success - is that she failed to get her national healthcare plan passed.

Everyone starts somewhere, GWB was more interested in drugs, booze and driving buisnesses into the ground before he decided to be a politician, and he done got ta' be President.

Rumor has it, though, that she wielded some power from behind the scenes when Bill was President (ehh, he was busy...).

Kinda like Nancy Reagan and her Astrologers did when Reagan was President (ehh, he was napping...)?


I can understand if you guys don't like her becasue of her personality, because her ideology and yours differ, whatever, and you don't have to have quantitative reasons to hate someone. However, I'd still really like to see specifics about policies she's supported that were horrible or any sort of deceitfulness/dishonesty that actually affects people's lives in any way.

And again, with the charges of dishonesty in governing, destroying documents etc., certianly if she's done that, they're reprehensible acts. But do those of you accusing her of that also justify liking Ronald Reagan, who's administration had the largest number of convicted criminals ever (I believe), and had the whole Iran-Contra thing with all their "slimy" behavior?

 

[JohnDubYa]

I actually developed a vile hatred for Ronald Reagan and the current George Bush based on their policies/executive actions. What instances of manipulation and insencerities on her part can you account for?

"There, but for the good grace of God, go I." Remember that? She was referring to some poor, poor beggar, IIRC. Get off it, Lady! You're a gold-digging lawyer, not Mother Theresa.

What next? Sack lunches with peanut butter and jelly sandwiches? Oh, that bit is already taken.

How about this one: Her husband is going into the hospital for bypass surgery. They asked her for comments, and she started talking the politics of health care! Lady, your husband is going to have surgery. He could DIE. Why not give the politics a rest?

Now, if you are going to try and convince me I am imagining her persona, save yourself the time. I know what she is all about, and nothing you say is going to convince me otherwise. Her conniving and insincerity are as clear as a bell to me.

 

[wasteofo2]

"There, but for the good grace of God, go I." Remember that? She was referring to some poor, poor beggar, IIRC. Get off it, Lady! You're a gold-digging lawyer, not Mother Theresa.

Actually, I have no idea what you're talking about, remember, I'm just a kid, could you put that in context so I'm not so lost?

What next? Sack lunches with peanut butter and jelly sandwiches? Oh, that bit is already taken.

Again, you lost me.

How about this one: Her husband is going into the hospital for bypass surgery. They asked her for comments, and she started talking the politics of health care! Lady, your husband is going to have surgery. He could DIE. Why not give the politics a rest?

I saw that clip, she talked about how everything seemed it would be fine, the doctors assured her things would work out alright and Bill would do fine, and then said in about this many words "We're just glad we have such great medical care here at (whichever) hospital, and I hope one day all Americans can have the kind of medical care we do." I don't see the big deal about adding in that you hope all Americans can get top-rate health care one day...

Now, if you are going to try and convince me I am imagining her persona, save yourself the time. I know what she is all about, and nothing you say is going to convince me otherwise. Her conniving and insincerity are as clear as a bell to me.

I'm not trying to convince you not to hate Hillary Clinton, I'd sooner try to convince Jerry Fallwell to come to temple with me for Sukot. I want you to try to explain to me in quantitative terms (if there are any), why you don't like her. You hate her personality, alright, fine, but again, has she supported any horrible policies, been deceitful/dishonest in any manner which affected anyone's life etc.? I'm trying to understand if you guys have a real argument against her, or you just don't like her personality. If her conniving and insincerity are as clear as a bell to you, could you try to point them out to me, so I could get an idea where you're coming from?

 

[JohnDubYa]

You hate her personality, alright, fine, but again, has she supported any horrible policies, been deceitful/dishonest in any manner which affected anyone's life etc.?

She has supported numerous policies that I disagree with. But you miss the point -- I don't form vile disgust towards candidates based on their policies. If I did, then I would be unable to separate the political from the personal.

I rather like Jimmy Carter. I didn't agree with his policies, but why should I hate him on account of that? That's just politics. A man's entitled to his opinions, right?

 

[wasteofo2]

She has supported numerous policies that I disagree with. But you miss the point -- I don't form vile disgust towards candidates based on their policies. If I did, then I would be unable to separate the political from the personal.

I rather like Jimmy Carter. I didn't agree with his policies, but why should I hate him on account of that? That's just politics. A man's entitled to his opinions, right?

Alright, so it's just personal, right?

To me, if someone supports a policy that has a negative effect on people, they're a bad person for putting that policy into place. They can be as charming as they want, but if they're responsible for something like people losing their jobs, I can't justify liking that person, since they have had such a negative impact on other people's lives.

 

[JohnDubYa]

To me, if someone supports a policy that has a negative effect on people, they're a bad person for putting that policy into place.

Sure, if they know that their policies are going to have a negative effect on people and they forge ahead, then I can see hating someone like that.

Some of Carter's economic policies hurt the country. But I don't hate him for it. Should I?

 

[JohnDubYa]

By the way, do you hate Kennedy and LBJ? Seems to me that their policies killed 70,000 of our boys and millions of Vietnamese. Do you hate them?

 

[wasteofo2]

By the way, do you hate Kennedy and LBJ? Seems to me that their policies killed 70,000 of our boys and millions of Vietnamese. Do you hate them?

I don't know exactly what Kennedy did as far as Vietnam, I thought it was relatively minimal, but for LBJ lying his ass off the way he did to get us into Vietnam in a major way, I consider him a grade-A bastard. The country did well economically and made civil-rights progress under him, but he's still a huge scumbag.

 

Alright, so it's just personal, right?

To me, if someone supports a policy that has a negative effect on people, they're a bad person for putting that policy into place. They can be as charming as they want, but if they're responsible for something like people losing their jobs, I can't justify liking that person, since they have had such a negative impact on other people's lives.

I don't see it that way. You don't employee people just to employee people. You have to look at the circumstances involved. Do you think Reagan was super evil for firing the illegally striking air-traffic controllers?? I don't. I think it was the best thing that ever happened.
Regan restored faith in a broken passive presidency. He stood firm on many important issues. He did what he thought was right.
In retrospect, much of his actions could have been avoided, and even at the time should have been. However, there is a LOT more to this than I care to type out. Let's just leave it that Reagan did great in many areas, and very poor in a few specific, yet important, ones...IMO, of course ;)

 

Some of Carter's economic policies hurt the country. But I don't hate him for it. Should I?

Yep. Carter was uneffective, but that dear old man tried his ass off. I almost just feel sorry for him.

 

I wish I could find the video. On John Stewart show they showed some very embarassing split screen of her and Chelsea at the DNC. Someone was speaking solemnly about the impoverished our nation (it was a pretty sad story relayed), and they split screened to the audience, showing hillary and daughter busy giggling and drinking wine from their oh so danty fancy glasses.
It was quite humorous to see.

 

[Artman]

I wish I could find the video. On John Stewart show they showed some very embarassing split screen of her and Chelsea at the DNC. Someone was speaking solemnly about the impoverished our nation (it was a pretty sad story relayed), and they split screened to the audience, showing hillary and daughter busy giggling and drinking wine from their oh so danty fancy glasses.
It was quite humorous to see.

If I remember correctly, she did the same type of thing during Bush's 911 speach. She should have put Bipartisanship asside for that. She showed no class at all. I don't trust her. I don't like her personality. I think she is a criminal in many ways. Didn't some people actually disappear during the Whitewater investigation?

Also, I think it is not a good time to have a woman as President (not out of personal preference, personally I think a woman would be better than a man as President.) because of the situation in the Middle East, I fear a woman would not be taken seriously and could cause problems. I may be very wrong in this, but that is just my opinion.

 

[Gokul43201]

Back off.

Hoo hoo < backing waaaay the %^(# off >. Easy bro. My bad.

(Perhaps I misunderestimated the bile there.)

Still I'm quite perplexed by the large number on the Right that really can't stand this woman, and a large part of it seems to be based on intangibles.

 

Still I'm quite perplexed by the large number on the Right that really can't stand this woman, and a large part of it seems to be based on intangibles.

Well a large part of it is. She is a liberal democrat that they already don't share political similarities with. Add that many of us find her to be a coniving, lying, *****...if not an outright criminal, and there's ripe breeding ground for our 'hatred'. I don't know that I hate HER. But I do know I HATE the thought of her coming anywhere NEAR an elected position I have control over.

 

[russ_watters]

Well, I don't doubt she and Bill had mutual interests in staying together besides love, but I ask again, has she done anything deceitful/dishonest that has caused any serious negative effects for America?

Certainly not, since she's never been in a position to do that.

I can understand if you guys don't like her becasue of her personality, because her ideology and yours differ, whatever, and you don't have to have quantitative reasons to hate someone. However, I'd still really like to see specifics about policies she's supported that were horrible or any sort of deceitfulness/dishonesty that actually affects people's lives in any way.

Well, that's difficult since she's never held public office before so until now she's hasn't had any policies other than the universal healthcare thing. Because of that, my opinion is also more based on personality than policy. But like JD, policy isn't a reason I would dislike someone. I can disagree with someone without getting personal.

Also, I think it is not a good time to have a woman as President (not out of personal preference, personally I think a woman would be better than a man as President.) because of the situation in the Middle East, I fear a woman would not be taken seriously and could cause problems. I may be very wrong in this, but that is just my opinion.

Separate issue, but I tend to think it is the right time. Other countries have female heads of state and the Arab world hates us with or without a female president. It just needs to be the right woman otherwise she'll ruin it for future women.

 

[Artman]

Separate issue, but I tend to think it is the right time. Other countries have female heads of state and the Arab world hates us with or without a female president. It just needs to be the right woman otherwise she'll ruin it for future women.

You missunderstand my concern. It is not a question of whether theyu hate us or not, it is a question of how they perceive us. They consider women weak, this is not a perception that we need at this time. I do not perceive women this way and I agree that the right woman would be a good president.

 

[JohnDubYa]

Still I'm quite perplexed by the large number on the Right that really can't stand this woman, and a large part of it seems to be based on intangibles.

intangibles = character

Remember what Hillary said when she was told that thousands of small businesses would be closed if her health plan was put in effect? "We can't be responsible for underfunded businesses." Nice attitude, *****!

 

[russ_watters]

You missunderstand my concern. It is not a question of whether theyu hate us or not, it is a question of how they perceive us. They consider women weak, this is not a perception that we need at this time. I do not perceive women this way and I agree that the right woman would be a good president.

Ok, I get it now. Sorry. You may be right, but it is fun to see how they react to our women in the military - an M-16 (or, better yet, an M-1 Abrams) with a woman behind it is still pretty lethal.

 

[Gokul43201]

Overall, I find her to be a pompous arrogant *****.

I can't stand the ***** because she's manipulative and takes insincerity to whole new level.

Add that many of us find her to be a coniving, lying, *****...if not an outright criminal, and there's ripe breeding ground for our 'hatred'.

Nice attitude, *****!

This thread deserves a Five Star Rating : approve:

 

[Artman]

Ok, I get it now. Sorry. You may be right, but it is fun to see how they react to our women in the military - an M-16 (or, better yet, an M-1 Abrams) with a woman behind it is still pretty lethal.

True. I view using women in the military as a wise choice against people who think they are less capable.

 

[russ_watters]

True. I view using women in the military as a wise choice against people who think they are less capable.

OT, but I remember a story from the Kosovo thing where after one of the few ground combat actions, a female tank commander was interviewed and asked why she fired all of her 70+ rounds at a single artillery emplacement that had fired on her. Her response, in true American military fashion: "that was all the ammo I had."

 

True. I view using women in the military as a wise choice against people who think they are less capable.

Yeah, if they were held to the same standards as the men maybe.

 

[wasteofo2]

GAH! You all are saying she's a lying conniving whore and nearly criminal, and perhaps a full fleged criminal. What nearly criminal lies has she said?

 

[wasteofo2]

I don't see it that way. You don't employee people just to employee people. You have to look at the circumstances involved. Do you think Reagan was super evil for firing the illegally striking air-traffic controllers?? I don't. I think it was the best thing that ever happened.
Regan restored faith in a broken passive presidency. He stood firm on many important issues. He did what he thought was right.
In retrospect, much of his actions could have been avoided, and even at the time should have been. However, there is a LOT more to this than I care to type out. Let's just leave it that Reagan did great in many areas, and very poor in a few specific, yet important, ones...IMO, of course ;)

I don't know anything about the air traffic controller stuff. Again, I was born right around the time Reagan left office, something like firing air traffic controllers isn't stuff generally listed in the crappy history textbooks we get in school.

However, I think Reagan was super evil for supporting all the terrorists and installing all the dictators that he did.

What areas do you feel Reagan did great in? Is it only intangibles like "He spoke simply and effectively", or "He was never pessimistic and always believed in America", or are there actual things that he was sucessful in? I concede that he was in part responsible for the fall of the Soviet Union, is there anything else though?

 

[Tigers2B1]

...What areas do you feel Reagan did great in? Is it only intangibles like "He spoke simply and effectively", or "He was never pessimistic and always believed in America", or are there actual things that he was sucessful in? I concede that he was in part responsible for the fall of the Soviet Union, is there anything else though?

wasteofo2 - the "areas" you mention are not one-line small potatoes, especially when discussing leadership. One leads to and affect another and really there isn't the artifical divide you sseem to imply. So, in regard to the rest, or the "actual things," (whatever that means), Reagan's 'pros' and 'cons' were discussed on this board in a thread here -

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=30037&highlight=Reagan