Pressure Change: Understanding the Physics Behind Closing a Valve

In summary, the conversation discusses the issue of fluctuating water pressure when closing and opening a valve. The speaker measured the pressure at 120psi and noticed a decrease when closing the valve. They also mention a possible leaky regulator and a loop system without a pressure regulator. The conversation ends with suggestions of a failing pressure reducing valve or an increase in chamber volume causing the pressure drop.
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I was measuring the water pressure on my house using a pressure gauge with a hose bib fitting. So I screwed it on and the meter read 120psi. Then I started turning the valve off and the pressure decreased the more I closed the valve. There was no flow downstream of the valve (or anywhere upstream). I don't understand the physics of this. Why would the pressure decrease just by closing the valve?
 
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I was measuring the water pressure on my house using a pressure gauge with a hose bib fitting. So I screwed it on and the meter read 120psi. Then I started turning the valve off and the pressure decreased the more I closed the valve. There was no flow downstream of the valve (or anywhere upstream). I don't understand the physics of this. Why would the pressure decrease just by closing the valve?
I don't understand: did you screw the gauge on with the valve off, then open the valve and then close it again?

120psi is very high for residential service, and implies to me a leaky regulator and a pressure that may vary with flows elsewhere.
 
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bbrady said:
Then I started turning the valve off and the pressure decreased the more I closed the valve. There was no flow downstream of the valve (or anywhere upstream).
Yeah that doesn't make sense if all is as it should be.

russ_watters said:
120psi is very high for residential service, and implies to me a leaky regulator and a pressure that may vary with flows elsewhere.
I agree, the houses I've had showed more like 35 to 45 psig at the hose bibs.
 
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The 120psi is accurate. I spoke with the water board and mine and a few others are on a loop that does not have a pressure regulator on it. The house is about 280' less altitude than the storage tank. Houses above the tank have a booster pump in the loop and ones lower than mine have pressure reducers. I will likely put a pressure reducer on the house. 120psi is a bit much.

I still don't understand the fluctuations in pressure when I turn the hose bib off or on
 
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Can you post some pictures? Use the "attach file" feature.

Thanks. :smile:
 
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Is there perhaps a pressure reducing valve in your house that's failing?
 
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It's possible that the action of closing the valve is increasing the volume of the chamber on the downstream section of the valve itself, leading to a drop in the trapped pressure.
 
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