Why the integral of a complex exponential can't be equal to zero?

In summary, the conversation discusses the interesting discovery that the integral ##\int e^{ixa}dx## equals zero when integrated from ##x = m2\pi/a## to ##x = n2\pi/a##, where ##m## and ##n## are any two integers. However, this creates a contradiction as the integrand does not go to zero and the limits of integration are not restricted to specific values. Therefore, the conclusion is that the integral does not vanish and the proper way to take the limit is not by "cherry-picking" specific values for the range of the integral.
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I was just playing with the integral ##\int e^{ixa}dx## when I found something interesting. If you integrate from ##x = m2\pi/a## to ##x = n2\pi/a## where ##m## and ##n## are any two integers, the integral equals zero.

On one hand, as we can in principle choose whatever values we like for ##m## and ##n## (as long as they are integer numbers), if we let ##m \rightarrow -\infty## and ##n \rightarrow +\infty##, then the integral ##\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} e^{ixa}dx## should vanish.

On the other hand, this is absurd, since I know these exponentials even work as an orthonormal basis in Fourier expansions.

I presume my mistake is in taking those limits. What you think?
 
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kent davidge said:
if we let ##m \rightarrow -\infty## and ##n \rightarrow +\infty##, then the integral ##\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} e^{ixa}dx## should vanish.
No it won't. Why should it ?
kent davidge said:
this is absurd, since I know these exponentials even work as an orthonormal basis
What's the contradiction ?
 
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BvU said:
Why should it ?
because the limits of integration would be like ##-\infty## and ##+\infty##
BvU said:
What's the contradiction ?
if the mentioned integral vanished, we couldn't use the exponentials as bases at all.
 
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kent davidge said:
because the limits of integration would be like ##-\infty## and ##+\infty##
That is not a criterion. The integrand does not go to zero.
 
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You're not allowed to restrict ##x## to be of the form ##k\pi/a## when taking a limit ##x\to\infty##. For a simpler example, it's not true that ##\lim_{n\to\infty}(-1)^n=1## even though ##(-1)^n=1## when ##n## is even. Also note that you're assuming ##a\neq 0##.

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That is not a criterion. The integrand does not go to zero.
Integrable functions don't have to vanish at infinity. Consider ##f(x)=1## when ##n\leq x\leq n+2^{-n}## for natural ##n##, and ##0## elsewhere. You can easily modify this to make a continuous counterexample if you'd like.
 
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kent davidge said:
because the limits of integration would be like ##-\infty## and ##+\infty##
You are "cherry-picking" particular values for the range of the integral to get 0. That is not the proper way to take the limit of the integral as the upper and lower bounds go to infinity.
 
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apparently you are taking an integral over the real axis, so your integral vanishes if and only if the real and imaginary parts do. so graph say the real part of your integral, essentially cos(x), and look at the behavior as x goes to plus or minus infinity. You see the total amount of signed area oscillates back and forth, and equals zero infinitely often, but has no limit at infinity.
 
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1. Why can't the integral of a complex exponential be equal to zero?

The integral of a complex exponential cannot be equal to zero because it represents the area under the curve of the function. Since the complex exponential function has an infinite number of oscillations, the area under the curve is also infinite and cannot be equal to zero.

2. Can't we just use the fundamental theorem of calculus to set the integral equal to zero?

No, the fundamental theorem of calculus only applies to continuous functions. The complex exponential function is not continuous, as it has an infinite number of discontinuities due to its oscillatory behavior.

3. Is there a mathematical proof for why the integral of a complex exponential cannot be equal to zero?

Yes, there is a mathematical proof using the properties of the complex exponential function and the definition of the integral. It involves showing that the integral of the function is always greater than or equal to a non-zero value.

4. Does this mean that the integral of a complex exponential is always undefined?

No, the integral of a complex exponential can still be defined and calculated using improper integrals. It just cannot be equal to zero.

5. Are there any real-world applications where the integral of a complex exponential being equal to zero would make sense?

No, in real-world applications, the integral of a complex exponential cannot be equal to zero as it represents a physical quantity (such as electric or magnetic fields) and cannot have an infinite or zero value.

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