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Why not spiritual

  1. Mar 8, 2004 #1
    i just used the word 'spiritual' in another post. at that point, i realized that this word isn't used very much.

    are we affraid that it has a religious implication?

    do we avoid our own feelings of a spiritual existence for fear that it isn't 'enlightened'?

    funny, using the word made me feel better, LOL.

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  3. Mar 8, 2004 #2
    I think it is more to do with the fact that the word is basically meaningless, because it means so many different things to so many people. If you have to explain exactly what it means to you every time you use it, why use that word at all?
  4. Mar 8, 2004 #3
    What does the word mean to you, olde drunk?
  5. Mar 8, 2004 #4
    like the word consciousness?
  6. Mar 8, 2004 #5


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    many dictionaries, church's etc define spiritual as equal to religion...in my opinion, i feel this is incorrect...

    one of my favorite quotes (don't take it too literal!):

    religion is for those who fear going to hell
    spirituality is for those who have been there

    this quote (and i have no idea where it came from) i think helps define a little bit of a difference in the sense that religion is typically a fear based belief system, where spirituality is more of a self-made belief system...spirituality is about a person's own path down the road to self-discovery and self growth...modern religion completely lacks this, and is more of a social organization with a set of relgious rules that applies to everyone...
  7. Mar 9, 2004 #6
    to me it means "that part of me that ain't physical". nothing elaborate.

  8. Mar 9, 2004 #7

    kudos!!! you deserve to be a mentor!

    i'm a simple,
  9. Mar 9, 2004 #8
    How do you know there is such a part of you?
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    mentat, the drive and inspiration to be a better person, to be more aware, the drive to learn i think can be defined as basic spirituality...we are not automatic biological robots. the desire for some of us to acheive knowledge or great feats is motivated by our spirit, thus making us spiritual-and i think spiritual is often confused with religious. let's make a loud distinction, as i think many human beings are looking for a spiritual outlet and think religion is automatically the way to it---i certainly disagree with this.

    how do we know there is such a part of us (spiritual)? well, this begs the question: does biology dictate our spirit, or does the spirit dictate our biology? i don't believe we have the *technology* to discect spirit, we have come a long way, but to claim we know all about human nature is quite the ignorant one...there is nothing magical or mystical about spirit, in essence, our spirituality is the part that makes us human-whether we are artists, philosophers, or scientists---all of these have one thing in common, and that is to better ourselves as a human being.
  11. Mar 9, 2004 #10
    Hey! There's nothing wrong with being a biological robot, is there?!?
  12. Mar 9, 2004 #11
    And let's not forget the word "materialism".
  13. Mar 9, 2004 #12


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    not at all...but i also don't see biological robots have a great ability to play guitars either...
  14. Mar 9, 2004 #13
    That's unfair...I do pretty good considering I have short fingers and no formal training...
  15. Mar 9, 2004 #14
    after 60+ years of looking for answers, i have mine. if you believe that this is all there is, you will become depressed and fall victim to other illnesses. no, there ain't no way to 'prove' this other than my observations thru life and how peoples beliefs influenced their life.

    i am the supreme authority of what i believe and espouse. you might be able to quote a mile long list of recognized experts on any given subject. until they or you, show me, within my daily experience that your point of view or belief is better than mine, i'll retain my refined knowledge.

    it is nice to fantasize about the matrix, or a computer generated world, but how does that concept help you enjoy a better tomorrow? for me, there is something beyond the physical, i've witnessed 'my proof'. experience is the only teacher. i wish you the same relevation.

  16. Mar 9, 2004 #15
    What's a biological robot?
  17. Mar 9, 2004 #16
    shhh, don't let kerrie see this

    any one know if kerrie is a mature female looking for fun??

    i sure like the way s/he thinks. sorry I won't go gay.

  18. Mar 9, 2004 #17
    That's what Kerrie calls the materialistic version of a human being.
  19. Mar 9, 2004 #18
    I've never met a sentient biological robot. Is that something like Santa Clause? Does it own a pink unicorn?
  20. Mar 9, 2004 #19
    Very funny, Royce. I thought pink unicorns were YOUR department? You, and the rest of the non-materialist crowd, can be convinced to believe in anything that makes you feel warm and fuzzy, after all.
  21. Mar 9, 2004 #20
    I think this is one of the best quotes and explainations that I have read in a long time. The only thing I would change is at the end where you say "rules that applies to everyone" I think you should have said "rules that it demands are applied to everyone" I find that much of what is considered religeous is in fact pretty hateful. Believe as they believe or else.

    For instance this gay marriage thing. I have been thinking and thinking and trying to come up with one reason why it could be a bad thing. If two people are commited to each other why shouldn't they have the same rights as others who just happen to be of the opposite sex. When I hear of the awful things that happend to one side of a gay couple when one passes away I think it is a total tragedy. Ok reliegion does not have to embrace it as a religeous tie but why are they against it as a civil matter. We allow business partnerships of people of the same sex and we allow marriages of atheists.

    Ok I got off track but I did what to thank you for these entry as it states very clearly what I have been trying to understand for a while.
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