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Why, why, why?

  1. Dec 27, 2009 #1

    Char. Limit

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    I just heard some crap from some people that the movie Avatar is racist.

    Why?

    Because a white guy was the hero.

    Seriously, are we not allowed to have a white guy as the hero anymore? Is the US really that god-damned screwed up? (Pardon the terms) Was it just that we didn't have a race scandal lately, so some black racist had to think of something and threw out Avatar as an excuse to blame Whitey once again? (Note: this sentence typed in a furious rage, and does not represent the true opinion of the poster. I'm not a racist, OK?)

    I'm tired of these stupid "racism" comments on movies, music, and innocent people, unless they have some firm basis on FACT!!
     
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  3. Dec 27, 2009 #2

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    I just read http://cinemaroll.com/cinemarolling/is-avatar-racist/" [Broken]since you provided no sort of references. Having seen the movie, I never even thought anything like this.

    But its funny, white people are pulling the race card now :rofl: What a world.
     
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  4. Dec 27, 2009 #3

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  5. Dec 27, 2009 #4

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    I say "wow" to both links. Maybe tomorrow I'll write up a rant that claims Avatar discriminates against Asians.
     
  6. Dec 27, 2009 #5

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    Good idea, I'll begin one that claims it discriminates against Native Americans.

    Should be easy, what with all the ways any movie can be taken.
     
  7. Dec 27, 2009 #6

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    You know, I can see the argument. It's not that the film is racist, it's that it is propagating the image of the backward savage race that needs a hero from the civilized world to swoop in and save them.

    I have to admit, when I was watching it, I was rather dismayed to see that, among those very bravest, strongest and cunning Na'vi warriors, it was the alien that was better at everything - from taming their most feared predator, to being the best flyer, to saving their whole tribe.

    Poor quaint savages.
     
  8. Dec 27, 2009 #7

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    Can't you also see the other argument? This is yet another movie about evil white men who come in to exploit idealized, peaceful savages who are more admirable than any native society on Earth. The sole heroic white man only becomes a hero after he completely assimilates into NaVi society. (His taming of the feared predator was supposed to signify his assimilation, since it was said that only a true NaVi could tame the predator.)
     
  9. Dec 27, 2009 #8

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    But that doesn't change the fact that the Na'vi would have perished without the human leading them. And not just once, several times he did what no Na'Vi warrior or leader could do.
     
  10. Dec 27, 2009 #9
    It's damn one movie ...
     
  11. Dec 27, 2009 #10

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    ...

    is that a good thing? Or what?

    :confused:
     
  12. Dec 27, 2009 #11
    I just don't understand why people are so crazy about it and coming up with ridiculous conclusions.
     
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  13. Dec 28, 2009 #12

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    Who cares if someone cries 'racism'. Deal with it :smile:
     
  14. Dec 28, 2009 #13

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    Yes, but if I dare to speak out about nonwhite racism, I will be branded as a racist ... If I do it publicly. So I pick here, an anonymous forum, to rant.
     
  15. Dec 28, 2009 #14
    I can't really think of any element more common to action flicks than the hero who is somehow better than anyone at anything and single handedly saves the day for everyone.

    As well the n00b, kid, or outsider who is better at a thing than those with great experience is a rather common story device. Its been done with everything from athletes to Jedi. The use that seems most similar to the movie (I have not seen it so I am only guessing based on descriptions here) is the white man who takes on the ways of the Native American. One might also take a look at Muad'Dib and the Fremen. The general intent of this sort of device is to show some sort of destiny for the character and/or that this thing is at the very core of their being. That they are like these other people even though they are not a part of them (the applicability here to the movie I am again only guessing at). It creates a reconciliation of the general conflict portrayed in the story.

    Of course I can see how racists and xenophobes would have trouble with the realization of this sort of theme.
     
  16. Dec 28, 2009 #15
    Why can't we all just get along? -Rodney King
     
  17. Dec 28, 2009 #16

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    Simple. There are those among us who cause these race scandals to appear as such, so as to further an agenda. I like to call them "normal Americans".

    Yes, that's right. I think this behavior is normal.
     
  18. Dec 28, 2009 #17
    To be honest, I think the reason why someone might think Avatar is racist is because the setting is sort of like Africa. In the jungle, they had an African accent, I at one point said it was racist to Africans just for laughs.
     
  19. Dec 28, 2009 #18
    You're right.. Last time I was in Africa I couldn't stop staring at the floating pieces of land...
     
  20. Dec 28, 2009 #19

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    Perhaps you should reserve judgement until you've heard them argue their case. I can see the argument, though it won't win everyone. Read the link in Char Limit's Post 3.
     
  21. Dec 28, 2009 #20

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    This would be a documentary film if Africa had oil.
     
  22. Dec 28, 2009 #21

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    I was about to bring this up, but for another reason. I can't think of a single movie where humans are fighting aliens and the humans are distinctly on the "evil" side, with no human heroes or sympathetic human characters. Considering the history of colonialism, it's entirely plausible that the entire planet would support a colonial campaign aimed at wiping out an alien race. The reason no movie has that kind of plot is because movie viewers won't accept it as realistic.

    If the human hero in this movie doesn't do anything significant, the movie would mostly be a story about humans exploiting the NaVi. Many people aren't comfortable with that theme.
     
  23. Dec 28, 2009 #22
    This thread is very interesting, because I have read some reviews of the movie saying kind of the opposite, that the movie makes the white guys out to be bad! That is, exploits the "Native jungle peoples who live 'in harmony' with nature versus the evil white militarist colonialist humans hellbent on destroying everything."

    I also read a review saying it exploits white guilt, the guilt of certain whites over what happened with the Native Americans, so it includes the white guilt fantasy (according to the reviewer) of a white guy not only making friends and being accepted by the native peoples, but then of leading them against the white invaders.
     
  24. Dec 28, 2009 #23

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    It portrais the military industrial complex as bad, not the whites. The whites in this particular case are mostly the scientists, while the evil Corporation takes the role of the bad guy.

    And if you really want to get to the bottom of things, it was the Spaniards who killed the Native Americans
     
  25. Dec 28, 2009 #24
    They weren't all white.
    I feel sorry for people who feel guilty for something they had no part of.
     
  26. Dec 28, 2009 #25
    Well, seeing as how the movie sends the message "humans mess stuff up if they can make a dollar out of it", it doesn't matter WHAT color the aliens are and you can make the cast as mixed race as you like, SOMEONE is going to pull the race card on it. I thought the aliens were a strange mix between African tribal culture and Native Americans, but I just left it to the stereotypes I've been exposed to that these cultures are more spiritual and connected to the Earth.

    Me and my friends had more fun relating everything we saw to the game Starcraft. For those who played it, theres no way you can't tell me you thought of Terrans vs. (non-technological) Protoss. Collecting unobtanium? Sounds an awful lot like mineral deposits to me. Having trouble breathing that vespene gas, huh? Ran into some wild zerglings, eh?
     
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