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News Will Israel back us if we attack Iran?

  1. Apr 11, 2006 #1
    Do you guys think that Israel would assist us if America and our allies attack Iran? Because as I look at it, Iran, not Palestine, is Israels greatest threat.
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  3. Apr 11, 2006 #2
    Everyone that's not Israel is a threat to Isreal in that region. They would jump at the chance of war with Iran.
  4. Apr 11, 2006 #3
    They sure don't seem to be jumping at it yet.
  5. Apr 11, 2006 #4


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    This is very hypothetical of course, but we went to great lengths to keep Israel out of the last two gulf wars. I don't think a war with Iran would be any different.
  6. Apr 11, 2006 #5
    How did we go to great lengths to keep Israel out of Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom?
  7. Apr 11, 2006 #6
    Did u miss the news? Iraq was firing skud missels at Israel and they didnt retaliate! Isreal wouldnt join any war, they have enough of there own problems, plus they arent stupid enough to do that IMHO.
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    Are you implying that the US is :wink:
  9. Apr 11, 2006 #8
    When did that happen?
  10. Apr 11, 2006 #9
    Are you trying to make fun of the United States? Don't forget your country is in this as much as we are.
  11. Apr 11, 2006 #10
    Perhaps but dont take that the wrong way, Israels and US's cirumstances are totally different, so you cant compare...
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  13. Apr 11, 2006 #12
    I was pretty young, but this is still something I should have known. Very interesting. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
  14. Apr 11, 2006 #13
    What the hell did they do that for?
  15. Apr 11, 2006 #14
    Another thing I did not know about until a few hours ago, was the scale of the Iraq-Iran war. I had no idea that this war was the longest war in the 20th century. And I didn't know that the Iraqi millitary used chemical weapons; and killed so many people! I just read that the chemical attacks on Iran killed more people by a WMD than any other attack in history, next to the nuclear attacks on Japan.
  16. Apr 11, 2006 #15
    Since when am I responsible for my governments actions? I never quite got why people never make the distinction between a citizen and it's government :smile:

    Discalimer: just to be clear I have no direct control over the actions of my governement whatsoever, their political decisions both misguided and adroit are none of my doing.

    And yes I supose I am being a little sarcastic but I do think any sort of military action against Iran when it is already involved in a costly war with Iraq, is somewhat unwise to say the least. I'm hoping all this is is posturing and who's got the biggest **** type stuff. But with old GW you never can tell what he's going to do.

    Hasn't the IAEA already stated that Iran is at least 5 years from obtaining the technology to make nuclear weapons? Would it not then make sense to threaten rather than invade? Or even bomb? Would the US want to be shown to be making war if there is no WMD again after the last embarassement? Is there more to this than just WMD, as there was in Iraq?
  17. Apr 11, 2006 #16
    I really think that Isreal should take them out. Iran is a crazy theocracy, and they obviously are a big threat to Israel. I trully do think that the US should stay out of it. But who else is going to step up.
    You don't really think that Iran should be able to have a nuclear arseneal, do you?
    Because if not, someone has to stop them.

    Did you vote for Tony Blair?
  18. Apr 11, 2006 #17


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    Bush won't be President in five years. If he's going to make his mark on history, he has to do it within the next two years. :rolleyes:

    If he does attack Iran, I doubt he'll go to Congress about it first. You don't do that unless you're sure they'll back you. Even if Bush could eke out a majority for support, the scene in Congress would be positively ugly.
  19. Apr 11, 2006 #18
    what are you talking about? If we just immediately invaded Iran without getting some serious support it would be a very difficult battle. I seriously doubt that we would even be able to invade Iran alone. Our millitary is too thinly spread right now.
  20. Apr 11, 2006 #19


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    Do WHAT for? Please quote statements you are responding to.

    During the first gulf war, after Iraq had invaded Kuwait, and the United States was bombing Iraq, Iraq did, in fact, start firing missiles at Israel who, to that point, had had nothing to do with the war. Iraq's whole point was to get Israel to retaliate- then most of the middle east, moslem, nations would stop fighting Iraq and turn against Israel.
  21. Apr 11, 2006 #20
    How very interesting.

    I am refering to the statement made by the Member of Physics Forums named HallsofIvy on Tuesday, Aprill 11, 2006 at 10:04am Central Standard Time, in which this member said:
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  22. Apr 11, 2006 #21
    That school you work at look very cool HallsofIvy. If you don't mind me asking, are you deaf too?
  23. Apr 11, 2006 #22
    But at the moment there is no excuse for an attack other than some completely unsubstantiated claims that Iraq is trying to develop nuclear weapons. Which I think personally they may not of been doing, but you can be damn well sure they are now, since the US has made it some sort of matter of pride.

    There is no way Bush could garner suport for invasion at the moment, no one in their right mind thinks it's a good idea. How many countries supported the invasion of Iraq? Something like 46 out of 192 wasn't it. How many do you think would support an invasion of Iran 5/6? tops, aiming to ignore the UN again?

    Nah to me this is little more than threats and bluster atm, should Iran be revealed directly to be moving towards making nukes, or should it be shown they have acquired the technology to do so then I'll worry, 'til then this is all just hot air.

    If I was cynical I'd say that Bush has an eye for the gas fields of Iran, no coincidence that it is the most gas rich country in the Middle East, but that's just silly surely, who'd attack a country for Fossil fuels and then pass it off as concern for non existant WMD and terrorism?:wink:
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  24. Apr 11, 2006 #23


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    [already answered by others, but...]
    In the first Gulf War. We stationed Patriot Missiles in Israel and all but begged them to stay out of the conflict. Saddam was trying to pull them in precisely because it would break-up the international coalition against him. We had been invited (begged?) in by the Saudis, Kuwaities, and other oil states (thinking they were next in line), but they are all Muslim and they would never would have accepted being on the same side of a war as Israel.

    For the second Gulf War, Israel never was challenged directly, so it was not difficult to keep them out.
    They might. More history for you: Do you know about Israel taking out Iraq's Osirak nuclear plant/facility in 1981?


    This would be a tougher strike, but it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility, and I think it is more likely than a US strike (but only by a little).
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  25. Apr 11, 2006 #24
    Show me direct evidence that Iran is enriching uranium?Not speculation not circumstantial gossip, not suggestion, actual proof, No? Or that Iran has an eye to make WMD? That's because there is none?

    I reserve judgement until I see facts, I am suspicous of Iran but not certain enough that I'd risk the lives of thousands of people, stir up a hornets nest of terrorism and make even more political enemies whilst simultaneously alienating the UN.

    We've seen where all these plans charts and bits of hearsay lead before, did you learn nothing from Iraq, it seemed then at least at face value that they had WMD, but when you dug deeper, it was all a house of cards.

    Pardon me for being cynical of the US propoganda machine, once bitten.

    [insult response deleted by Russ]

    EDITED: OK I actually meant to say enriching uranium for nukes, I am well aware Iran has enrichment facilities, but enrichment does not mean nukes absolutley, there are peacefull motives for doing so.
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  26. Apr 11, 2006 #25
    Do you mean that you think it is more likely that Israel will attack Iran before the US does? Because I absolutely agree with you. And I think that Israel will kick there ass. I think Israel has every right to.

    Man, I just wish everyone would get along. I am not trying to make a hateful comment, and I have nothing against the religion of islam, but as I see it muslims are really the only ones that have problems with the rest of the world AND it is because of their religion. (I emphasised the word AND, because many other countries dislike other countries, but I know of none that hate other countries just due to religious differences).

    I really think that Muslims need to incorporate some type of tollerance into their relligion. Everyone is always saying how america is intollerant; well I think that the relligion of Islam is much more intollerant.
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