# Windows Vista

1. Dec 19, 2005

### Sprinter

Anyone here has tried it? What do you feel? Very excellent? Is your hardware "strong" enough to satisfy it?

2. Dec 19, 2005

### dduardo

Staff Emeritus
Have you used Windows XP? Exactly like it, but with a "prettier" interface.

3. Dec 19, 2005

### iamsharpie

Exactly?

If it's exactly like XP with prettier graphics then I'll stick to Debian. That way I can just upgrade KDE when I want to see prettier effects.

4. Dec 19, 2005

### Greg Bernhardt

Ack, it's still early in beta, every new build has new features. There are infact lots of new things in Vista and I think the interface is improved too. Google search vista reviews for information on whats new on the lastest build iamsharpie & Sprinter.

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5. Dec 19, 2005

### dduardo

Staff Emeritus
Of course there are going to be a lot of new features...for windows users.

If you've been on other platforms, vista is just playing catching up.

Tell me one thing your looking forward to that hasn't already been implemented in another operating system yet.

6. Dec 19, 2005

### Greg Bernhardt

oh don't get me wrong, I agree MS is definately playing catchup and losing to that point, but it's still should be better than XP and that's how I look at it. It is depressing to see how long it's taken to to build a new OS with virtually no revolutionary features.

7. Dec 19, 2005

### dduardo

Staff Emeritus
How much better than XP? The problem I see is that the stuff that they are doing in Vista can and will be easily backported to XP. Most of the development libraries are going to be backported by Microsoft. There was even a case this week in which microsoft asked a skinner to remove his vista skin for xp because it looked too good. Check out the screenshot here:

http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lhwbpreview3vb.jpg

The way apple adds features between versions (10.3->10.4) makes vista look like windows xp sp3.

Probably the only reason to upgrade is for the security updates.

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8. Dec 19, 2005

### Sprinter

The installation process of Vista is simpler than XP. The scaring thing is it requires very high-spec hardware, minimum 512MB RAM, PCI-Express graphic card, SATA HDD etc.

9. Dec 20, 2005

### Anttech

Vista server will be way more interesting than the desktop. Especially for anyone who works in an enterprise.. Its deployment and Branch office management features will be cool. Also it will be more secure (hmm, we will see)

10. Dec 20, 2005

### Sprinter

Windows 2003 server is the most stable one for the time being.

11. Dec 20, 2005

### dduardo

Staff Emeritus
Sprinter,
Easier installation? How many people actually do a clean install? Sure I do clean installs at home some times, but at work there is no time to deal with fresh installing on a per computer basis. I just image the drives remotely.

The specs don't really matter because most people get Vista with a new computer. Yeah for the microsoft tax!

Anttech,
I use a custom three-stage software deployment method in linux. The first thing I always do is check to see if the package works and doesn't break anything on a test machine. Second I put the package on the centeral repository server and backup the old package. Third the other computers have a cron job that check for new files in the repository and install them. Also, if any files have been removed from the repository then the software gets uninstalled.

In *nix this type of deployment setup is a piece of cake. I'm basically using a bunch of shell scripts to automate the whole system. Sure there is deployment software already written, but the power of *nix allows me to write custom software on the fly with very little hassle.

12. Dec 20, 2005

### Anttech

More power to you, but there is nothing there that i couldnt do with windows... Dont get me wrong, Linux is very powerful.. And Windows is expensive, but the majority of Enterprises use Windows infrastructures for file/print/desktops systems.. I am not the one footing the bill, my company is...

13. Dec 20, 2005

### Anttech

Yeh I aggree... Its stable

14. Dec 20, 2005

### iamsharpie

heh heh

My Uni runs all windows throughout the place. It's removed my write access to all mounted drives before for no reason that the admins could figure out. You can't use usb thumbdrives or the cd writers unless you've admin priviledges. This is one of window's weaknesses. You have to be admin to do anything useful. I'm sorry if 3.5" floppy diskettes have become almost useless, but carrying around a bag of them is just too dumb.

So I boot up Knoppix and sftp into a debian server here at home for all my class work. It (c)Just Works.

If Vista updates the Windows security profile to allow users to do what they need to do, then I'll like vista, but I've had nothing but hate for XP.

15. Dec 20, 2005

### dduardo

Staff Emeritus
Anttech, if you were footing the bill then you would care. Also, everytime Microsoft releases a new operating system it is a big production to install. With Linux your just installing new packages every so often. Your not ambushed by huge overhauls of thousands of packages.

iamsharpie, i'm lucky that my university has redhat linux and solaris workstations as well as *BSD and OSX servers. I just go to the lab and work on the *nix machines just as I do at home.

16. Dec 20, 2005

### Anttech

What you say is true... But Windows (although I am never going to be able to convince you of this, due to your very closed mind towards M$) can offer some very exciting applications, systems technologys and development oppertunities. One example is C#. Anyway I dont reallly like M$ but I can keep an open mind towards there products. I would prefer that they didnt have such a monoply because it is bad for our industry.

17. Dec 20, 2005

### dduardo

Staff Emeritus
If you are going to use C#, why not go with Java? At least it's portable.

I do have to admit that microsoft is good at hardware. Both their mice and keyboards are very confortable and durable.

18. Dec 20, 2005

### Anttech

both are good, personal preference. IMO Java is slow, and hogs resources

19. Dec 20, 2005

### Sprinter

I am not MSDN subscriber, I can't get a copy of Vista, and not able to download from bittorent sources, it is too big, 1.5GB.

20. Dec 21, 2005

### iamsharpie

mono

Hey anttech, if you really like C# then maybe you should check out mono

http://linuxgazette.net/issue84/ortiz.html

This doesn't have to become a M$vs GNU flamewar. Sure, M$ software is easy to configure and you only have to pay the techs US$10 /hr, but I find it annoying when the mail server bites the dust. When I'm locked out of my account. When I can't save my work. When I can't compile a program with xyz compiler. If these problems disappear with Vista, great. I'm all for it. However, as a person who has lived through several iterations of Windows, I can say with some certainty, that I doubt these things will change. My main gripe with Windows, as you can tell from the above, is the current security policy. It doesn't allow too much without admin priviledges. It looks like that will change in vista. That's what I'm looking forward to seeing. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/security.mspx I too think Java is a resource hog and that M$ did a great thing with .NET and C#. Now if Sun would allow the developer to specify to the virtual machine the resources it requires (in either percentages or hard numbers, whichever is lower to the specific machine) then it might not be so bad. They might already have a way. I wouldn't know, I have no experience with Java or .NET. I figure I'll pick it up sometime.