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Witness backs Kerry's story

  1. Aug 22, 2004 #1

    Ivan Seeking

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    http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/politics/2751054

    Edit: He was the only other Swift Boat commander on the river that day. This will all come out in other press releases, but he is the only other commander who was there. He knows what happened.

    So lets be clear on this. We have rich buddies of the Bush's trying to impune the character of an honest and brave man who is supported by the men who served with him. Come on people, you must be able to see who we elected here.

    Of course Bush never went to Vietnam, but he allows these attack dogs to run amok. This is the quality of our president.

    Thank God. This will be the, or a final blow to the Bush campaign. People will now believe Kerry as they should and not Bush's attack dogs. Since Bush refused to keep them in check, he will be held responsible, as he should be, and at least a few more people will know him for what he is. Barring any disasters for Kerry or any earthshaking events otherwise, and assuming that all of you Kerry supporters get out there and vote, its all but over folks! Thank God!!!
     
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  3. Aug 22, 2004 #2

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    Bush has no right to shut these Vets up. They certainly have every right in the world to speak out if they want to. If kerry feels he can prove their lying then let him take them to court. Freedom of speach is as much the right of those Vets as it is to Movon.org. Give me a break.
    These guys spent more time in Vietnam then Kerry did and many, many of them are war hero's ten times over compared to Kerry.
     
  4. Aug 22, 2004 #3

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    Rood's story doesn't have as much impact on the Swift Vet's story as it may first appear to you..I'll be back with links later.




    *of course if we follow some peoples limitations on who has a right to speak about Kerry and who doesn't ...nothing he says would be applicable since...oh my, he didn't serve on the same boat as Kerry.
     
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  5. Aug 22, 2004 #4

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    Bush refused to denouce them. Also, from what I saw of Rood's credentials tonight, I doubt any right wing rhetoric will manage to undermine this one. He was there, the Swift Boat Republicans on a pay roll were not.
     
  6. Aug 22, 2004 #5
    Thank God Mr. Rood lived to testify! I believe he is the other swift boat commander still alive (the third has died since) from Kerry's original group, witnessing firsthand and with authority Kerry's true bravery. As for Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, their present demeanor insinuates neither truth nor bravery, but possibly graft.
     
  7. Aug 22, 2004 #6
    1. Has it been shown that any of the swift boat vets are on payola?

    2. Has it been shown that they lied?
     
  8. Aug 22, 2004 #7

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    Lol, Rood's story doesn't impact the Swift Vet's book version, his story may however differ from Kerry's own statements to the Boston GLobe.

    btw..
    What about the Swift boat Vet's for truth who are democrats, or those who are independents....were they there? lol
    Also, I don't think anyone is questioning Rood's credentials, have you seen someone questioning his credentials?
     
  9. Aug 22, 2004 #8
    In the first ad they released, there was one guy who said something to the effect of "I know John Kerry lied about his first purple heart, becuase I treated him for that wound", but the man who said that was not the doctor who signed the form evaluating Kerry for the wound which he recieved his first purple heart, nor was his name listed anywhere on that form.

    I believe that's what's known as a "liar liar pants on fire" situation.

    [edit]
    Sorry, but were you talking about in an absolute sense, or just regarding the incident Ivan posted about? I have a bad habbit of just scanning posts and I answered yours without reading everything leading up to it, so my reply may have been moot.[/edit]
     
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  10. Aug 22, 2004 #9
    If Bush himself had any credentials, they might become a topic for debate.
     
  11. Aug 22, 2004 #10
    I listened to the man explain this supposed discrepency on (I think) Sean Hannity's show. He said that he was the doctor on duty, but for minor injuries the forms were usually signed by medics, who were not doctors. So while there is no evidence to show that the man is telling the truth, there is no evidence to suggest he is lying either. In fact, the man stated he was the only doctor at that location -- a charge that should be easy enough to disprove if he is in fact lying. Time will tell.
     
  12. Aug 22, 2004 #11
    Alrighty then...
     
  13. Aug 22, 2004 #12

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    It is also clear to me that Kerry has lied about certain aspects of his service, exaggerated others, and is now sleeping in the bed he made (he is the one who made his service the centerpiece of his campaign, not Bush).

    He's as much the politician as Bush is.
     
  14. Aug 23, 2004 #13

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    There is a site dedicated to the Bush lies. Moveon ads are more accurate than Swift boat vets.
     
  15. Aug 23, 2004 #14

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    I can appreciate your position here but I think there is a difference. Anyone running for office must be a politician, but how low will they sink in order to win? From what I have seen so far, Kerry stands head and shoulders above Bush in many areas - including in integrity. Of course I am still more anti-Bush than pro-Kerry, but I am greatly encouraged by recent events and what I have learned about Kerry.

    What exactly did he lie about and exaggerate? I suspect that these are just more Bush-Republican lies.

    Funny comment: I was in Hood River Oregon last week. This is the wind surfing capitol of the world and Kerry was there the week before. When you come into town there is a giant billboard showing Kerry riding the wild surf and wind. In fact, the day he was there was nearly the only day all summer long that there was no wind at all! Poor Hood River. They tried so hard. I really felt bad for them.
     
  16. Aug 23, 2004 #15
    I think the swift boat vets should take a lead from moveon, and show hitler in a swift boat, in place of kerry :cool:
     
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    I find it amazing that many who support Michael Moore shout that the swift boat veterans are frauds.

    If Michael Moore can distribute Fahrenheit 911, the Swift boat vets should be able to air their ads. Fair is fair.

    In another thread I have asked for known lies, and I received nothing substantial. And how inaccurate are the swift boat vets ads? If they are inaccurate, provide an example.

    Examples are good.
     
  19. Aug 23, 2004 #18

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    I think you should see a doctor, you are apparently delusional. :wink:

    Seriously though, why don't you back that up with comparitive facts instead of just offering you opinion.
     
  20. Aug 23, 2004 #19

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    Kerry's a disgrace, he has been a disgrace since he came back from "Nam and destroyed the reputation of innocent soldiers, backed by liars and lies from men who had never stepped foot in Vietnam. He admitted to seeing and being responsible to war crimes as well along with other war related crimes (see his senate testimony). The Vet's that he maligned have every right to set the record straight AS Kerry IS RUNNING ON HIS VIETNAM RECORD. If he were running on his Left-Left-Left leaning senate record I might agree with you, BUT he's not. In fact, when he reported back "for duty" many Vet's weren't returning his salute, they were turning their backs...and they have every right to. YOU don't have a right to tell them ANYTHING. They, through their war experiences (and many are TRUE war hero's) and first hand witnessing of Kerry and being personally maligned by Kerry have every RIGHT to. Kerry's bullying and smear tactis as well as his attempting to remove their first amendment right is the one who is LACKING integrity.




    The Swift Boat Vet's for Truth's new book lays it all out for you, using first hand eye-witness acoutns, Kerry's statements and testimony as well as official documents. Why don't you pick up a copy and see for yourself.


    All I caught about this were some headlines about Kerry creating his own wind... :tongue:
     
  21. Aug 23, 2004 #20

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    amp, from the things you were saying in the election thread (you said you don't need to see evidence to believe some claims), it seems clear to me that you choose whether to believe claims based soley on whether the claims support or contradict your bias.
    I think most politicians are equally negative (and candidates tend to reflect each other's negativity). Kerry did seem to make it a point to not be too negative in the DNC, but there were a lot of speeches that blasted Bush. Kerry's ads just seem to be more generally negative than specifically negative - and both candidates get to hide behind the fact that the most negative ads didn't come from them.
    The specific lie was that he was in Cambodia on Christmas. That's an old lie, not a new one - it dates back to his protest days. It appears to be something he said because it sounded good. Should he be held responsible for it now? Well, if he wants his service to be an issue...

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,128561,00.html

    Exaggerations are exaggerations - politicians exaggerate everything. That should be self-evident. One guy firing an AK at his boat can be an "intense firefight" if he wants it to be.
     
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