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Homework Help: Work and Potential Energy

  1. Oct 13, 2008 #1
    A thin rod of length = 2.00m and negligible mass can pivot about one end to rotate in a vertical circle. A ball of mass m = 5.00 kg is attached to the other end. The rod is pulled aside to angle [tex]\theta[/tex]= 30 degrees and released with initial velocity v = 0 m/s. As the ball descends to its lowest point,

    (a) How much work does the gravitational force do on it?
    (b) What is the change in the gravitational potential energy of the ball-Earth system?
    (c) If the gravitational potential energy is taken to be zero at the lowest point, what is its value just as the ball is released?
    (d) Doe the magnitude of the answers to (a) through (c) increase, decrease, or remain the same if the angle is increased?

    Relevant Equations:
    W (gravity) = mgh
    W (gravity) = -[tex]\Delta[/tex]U

    So, theoretically, I know what I need to do, but when it comes to plugging in the numbers, I get the incorrect answer. I know that I'm given m, and g is the gravitational constant. What I'm having trouble doing is manipulating the arc of the circle to solve for h, and the h that I keep finding (roughly 0.27 m) gives me the incorrect answer for (a), which should be 20 J. If I'm struggling with part (a), I assume I will have similar issues with the rest of it, so any help would be greatly appreciated.
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  3. Oct 13, 2008 #2


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    You problem is that the arc length of the path of the mass is not the same as the change in height.

    I found this picture on Google image to help you find the actual height difference:


    The change in height is the distance labeled h in this diagram. Can you use trig and some algebra to find h?
  4. Oct 13, 2008 #3
    I tried that but it wasn't working. What I have is that: 2Rsin((1/2)theta) = l, which is the length from one end to the other end in the diagram you posted. I got 1.035m for that. From there I solved for the length of the perpendicular line in the diagram and got 1.00m. Then I solved for one of the angles in my newly formed triangle and determined that h was 0.2678 m, which when plugged into W (gravity) equation, yields the incorrect answer.
  5. Oct 13, 2008 #4


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    OK. The height you found is correct. And using it I get an answer of around 13J for the work done by gravity. Is this close to what your getting? If it is, I would check your numbers.

    You have the correct height, so one of the other numbers may be wrong.
  6. Oct 13, 2008 #5
    Yeah, I also get approximately 13 J. The issue is that the back of the book states that the answer is 20 J. Maybe it's wrong, but I've been tearing my head out over this problem...
  7. Oct 13, 2008 #6


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    I'm sure that you have the correct number for the height.

    I just checked my work and I get the same thing, .27m.

    Maybe talk to your instructor about it. These things happen, and I agree that they can be very frustrating.
  8. Oct 13, 2008 #7
    Actually, with a little tweaking, I figured it out. The answer in the book was only slightly off. Thanks a lot for the help.
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