Solving a Complex Integration Problem: Finding the Work to Empty a Tank

In summary, the conversation discusses a math problem involving a tank, water density, and gravitational force. The speaker explains their solution using integration and asks for help with the integration process. Another person suggests a different approach using trigonometric substitution and completing the square.
  • #1
eddo
48
0
I apologize that I don't know how to make the math equations.

Alright it's going to be kind of complicated trying to describe this in words, but I'll do my best. There is a tank shaped like a right cylinder on it's side. The length of the tank (or height of the cylinder) is 6m, and the radius is 1.5m. There is a pipe sticking 1m out of the top of the tank. How much work is required to empty the tank, remembering that the density of water is 1000kg/m^3 and g=9.81m/s^2.

I know the answer, because it is the same as the work done moving all the water from the center point, or lifting it all 2.5m. But we are required to solve it using integration, by taking the work to move a thing horizontal slice, and summing up infinitely many infinitely small slices.

So here's what I've done so far. set x-axis vertically, origin at the bottom of the tank. A horizontal slice will create a rectangle with area 6 x w, w being the width of the slice. To find w in terms of x, i made a triangle with the two radii and w, and the distance from the centre of the circle to the centre of w being r-x. This give w to be 2SQRT(3x-x^2), and so the area is 12SQRT(3x-x^2). So now the volume is the area times delta x. If p is density, the force is than:
F=mg=Vpg=pg12SQRT(3x-x^2)
this must be lifted a distance of 4-x. so the work is:
W=pgSQRT(3x-x^2)(4-x)
Now this just has to be integrated between x=0 and x=3, but I don't know how to do this. Is there an easier way? Have I made a mistake along the way? Or how do I integrate this? BTW we haven't done integration by parts yet, so there should be a way to do this without using that, we've only learned the substitution method.
Thank you for any and all help.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
Actually, you've done very well. I would have been inclined to put x=0 at the center of the circle rather than at the bottom. Then w= &radi;(1.52-x2) rather than √(3x-x2) and the integration is a little easier. Have you had "trigonometric substitution" yet? Since cos2(θ)= 1- sin2, the substitution x= 1.5 sin(θ) makes &radi;(1.52-x2) into 1.5√(1- sin2(θ))= 1.5cos(θ). Also dx= 1.5 cos(θ).

With your pg√(3x-x^2)(4-x) you might want to complete the square: 3x- x^2= (9/4)-(9/4)+ 3x- x^2= (9/4)- (x- 3/2)^2. Let u= x- 3/2, x= u+ 3/2 so 3-x= 4- u- 3/2= 5/2- u and the integrand is √(9/4- u^2)(5/2- u)du. Now break it into two integrals: (5/2)&radic(9/4- u^2)du can be done by u= 3/2sin(θ) and -(9/4-u^2)udu can be done by v= 9/4- u^2 (so dv= -2u du or udu= -1/2 dv).
 
Last edited by a moderator:
  • #3


First of all, great job on setting up the problem and finding the expression for the work required to lift a horizontal slice of water. You are correct in thinking that the total work required to empty the tank is equal to the work required to lift all the water to a height of 2.5m.

To integrate the expression you have, you can use the substitution method. Let u = 3x - x^2, then du = (3 - 2x)dx. This allows you to rewrite the expression as:

W = pg∫√u du

Integrating this using the power rule, you get:

W = pg(2/3)u^(3/2) + C

Now just substitute back in for u and use the limits of integration (0 and 3) to find the final answer for the work required to empty the tank.

Alternatively, you can also use the disk method to set up the integration. Consider a small disk of thickness dx at a distance x from the bottom of the tank. The volume of this disk is given by πr^2dx, where r is the radius of the disk at distance x. Using similar triangles, you can find that r = 3 - x. Thus, the volume of the disk is:

V = π(3-x)^2dx

And the work required to lift this disk is:

dW = pgVdx = pgπ(3-x)^2dx

Integrating this from x = 0 to x = 3 gives you the same answer as above.

I hope this helps and good luck with your integration! Remember to always check your work and make sure your units are consistent.
 

1. How do I approach solving a complex integration problem?

To solve a complex integration problem, it is important to break it down into smaller, more manageable steps. Start by understanding the problem and identifying the key variables and equations involved. Then, use appropriate integration techniques such as substitution or integration by parts to solve the problem step by step.

2. What is the purpose of finding the work to empty a tank in a complex integration problem?

The work to empty a tank is a common example of a complex integration problem in physics and engineering. It involves calculating the amount of work required to move a given amount of fluid from one point to another. This type of problem is important in designing and optimizing systems that involve fluid flow, such as pipelines or pumps.

3. How do I determine the limits of integration for a complex integration problem?

The limits of integration depend on the specific problem and the given conditions. In the case of finding the work to empty a tank, the limits of integration would typically be the starting and ending points of the fluid's movement, such as the top and bottom of the tank. It is important to carefully consider the physical setup of the problem to determine the appropriate limits of integration.

4. What are some common challenges when solving a complex integration problem?

One common challenge when solving a complex integration problem is determining the correct approach and integration technique to use. It is also important to be careful with algebraic manipulation and to check for any mistakes in the calculations. Additionally, setting up the problem and determining the correct limits of integration can also be challenging.

5. How can I check my solution for a complex integration problem?

It is always a good idea to check your solution for a complex integration problem by plugging it back into the original equation and verifying that it satisfies all the given conditions. You can also use graphing software to graph your solution and visually confirm that it is correct. Additionally, you can compare your solution to known solutions or use online integration calculators to check your work.

Similar threads

  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
5
Views
585
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
12
Views
847
Replies
29
Views
1K
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
22
Views
1K
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
11
Views
1K
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
1
Views
349
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
3
Views
363
Back
Top